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<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic">Fred</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic">In what way is the total
distorted?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic">Not high enough because non-fare payers are not
counted (then would not PAT's numbers have the same lack?)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic">Too high because they count non-fare
payers? (I would submit they should be counted because a public service is
being performed by carting them around)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic">Dwight</FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=fwschneider@comcast.net href="mailto:fwschneider@comcast.net">Fred
Schneider</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">Western PA Trolley
discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, November 12, 2013 7:05
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [PRCo] First Harmony Car
Enters Pittsburg</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>And so is Buffalo's data distorted by free trips in the central
area. I think Baltimore adds in ghosts riding on weekly passes
too.<BR><BR>There are liars on both sides of the boarder.<BR><BR><BR><BR>On
Nov 12, 2013, at 1:38 PM, TEP wrote:<BR><BR>> Only certain parts of certain
cities are compact. The rest of Canada is <BR>> typical inefficient North
American sprawl. You are right transit use is <BR>> much higher in compact
areas. Where I live in the inner city I have a <BR>> bus every two minutes
at the end of my street. The distant suburbs have <BR>> "policy headway" a
bus at least every half hour, eighteen hours a day, <BR>> 365 days a year
on all urban main roads.<BR>> <BR>> Your Calgary data is distorted by
the large number of "free" trips in <BR>> the central area--mainly
midday.<BR>> -------------------------------------<BR>> On 09/11/2013
14:19, Fred Schneider wrote:<BR>>> Ah, but the Canadians live a much
more compact live than the people south of you.<BR>>> <BR>>> Up
north you don't have this same concept that I'm better than Jose so I must
live in a 3,000 square foot house on a 3 acre lot in a gated
community. Even in small towns you can have bus service which
would be impossible in the USA because people still live in smaller homes
lined up along streets. Maybe it comes from the idea that it
costs money to heat a 3,000 square foot house so that a 1,000 square foot
house using the neighbor's property as a wind break is a better
deal.<BR>>> <BR>>> Example, the bus system in your provincial
capital hauled 28 million riders last year. That's around 11,000
on a weekday. BARTA in Reading, PA had 3 million. Both
cities have around 80,000 population. I remember standing downtown
in Victoria BC in the evening rush hour in 2007 … crowds boarding buses at
every corner. Unreal by US standards.<BR>>> <BR>>> And
you guys want a real jolt? Calgary, Alberta has a population of
about 1.1 million. Their total system ridership is about 548,000
fares (considering we need to ride in and out every day, that's one out of
every four Calgarians rides mass transit). And 285,000 a day are on
light rail trains!!!!!! That is the second highest light rail
riding in North America. Yeah … go to Montana … middle of no where
… turn right and go up the front range about 150 miles.<BR>>>
<BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>> On Nov 9, 2013, at 2:42 PM, TEP
wrote:<BR>>> <BR>>>> On 09/11/2013 09:22, Herb Brannon
wrote:<BR>>>>> ...........<BR>>>>> One the cloudy
side, why doesn't PATransit try to get money to extend
some<BR>>>>> of the Pittsburgh lines? The PAT management doesn't
seem too interested in<BR>>>>> running a good transit system.
Service levels are no where near what they<BR>>>>> were when I
worked at PAT.......<BR>>>>> <BR>>>> Because capital and
operating subsidies come from different pockets. PAT<BR>>>> could
build all it wants--but have no money to operate any new
lines--or<BR>>>> the existing lines for that matter.<BR>>>>
<BR>>>> I live in Vancouver. The Urban area is around the same
population as<BR>>>> Greater Pittsburgh. Our three rail lines carry
half a million passengers<BR>>>> a day. Peak headways down to four
and six car trains every ninety<BR>>>> seconds. Service at least
every five minutes until 1:15 am. Plus the 5<BR>>>> train peak only
commuter rail. Use it or lose it.<BR>>>> <BR>>>> Tom
Parkinson<BR>>>> <BR>>>> ADVISORY: The Telus spam filters
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*Transport****Consulting**Limited *<BR>>>> <BR>>>> Tom
Parkinson P.Eng, Vancouver BC Canada 604-733-5430, cell
604-733-5437<BR>>>> <BR>>>> <BR>>>>
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