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<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic">John</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic">AMTK does not handle the oil cans to Delaware
City Refinery Corp. NS does. But they do run over a short length of
AMTK-owned track, from Perryville to Newark (Del.)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic">MARC is instituting weekend service,
finally.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic">Dwight</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=j_swindler@hotmail.com href="mailto:j_swindler@hotmail.com">John
Swindler</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">Western PA Trolley
discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, November 26, 2013 11:03
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [PRCo] Cleveland
numbers</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><BR> <BR>Transit ridership is rising for several
reasons. One surprise was that younger people don't think the same way
as us "old geezer" generation. They are NOT as enamored by autos.
Not massive numbers of young people - just a couple percentage points.
Negligible effect on highways, but significant impact on transit
ridership. This comment was from Amtrak - they are finding young people
not only without cars, but without drivers license - not by circumstances, but
by choice. <BR> <BR>Also, never realized that Amtrak handles four
oil trains a day to a Delaware refinery. Amtrak admits they never saw
(this traffic) coming.<BR> <BR>And we should all be aware that VRE
exists. I thought it was just a couple daily commuter trains from
Virginia into Washington. Didn't realize that it was 30 daily
trains. Busiest station?? If assumed it was Union Station, would
be wrong. It's L'Enfant Plaza. VRE is currently at capacity and
has more cars on-order. Also negotiating with railroads for extensions
to both lines.<BR> <BR>MARC ridership was around 18,000 in 1997.
Currently around 36,000 riders. It's seen a 3.5% average annual growth
over past 15 years.<BR> <BR><BR> <BR>> From: <A
href="mailto:fwschneider@comcast.net">fwschneider@comcast.net</A><BR>>
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:25:48 -0500<BR>> To: <A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</A><BR>>
Subject: Re: [PRCo] Cleveland numbers<BR>> <BR>> The positive numbers
are in the western and southwestern cities. Los Angeles has
more rail riders today than Pacific Electric had in their 1923 peak.<BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> On Nov 26, 2013, at 6:18 AM, PC wrote:<BR>>
<BR>> > ..........><<A
href="http://mailman.dementix.org/pipermail/pittsburgh-railways/2013-November/032450.html">http://mailman.dementix.org/pipermail/pittsburgh-railways/2013-November/032450.html</A>><BR>>
> ..........>from Fred Schneider fwschneider at comcast.net<BR>> >
..........>Sun Nov 24 11:32:53 EST 2013<BR>> > <BR>> >
..........>Do not know where you find positive Cleveland numbers…..
<BR>> > <BR>> > The above is your original question isn't
it. You could not find positive Cleveland Numbers. I answered that
question didn't I.<BR>> > Positive Cleveland numbers were
provided. Now all this below.......<BR>> > You seem disappointed
that ridership is rising--transit ridership, trolley, tram, bus--interests of
people on this list.<BR>> > How is it possible to please you?<BR>>
> <BR>> > To address Cleveland ridership one observes the trend is
sloping downward with occasional rises above and dips below<BR>> > this
trendline. This is very openly noticed and admitted, along with the
following:<BR>> > 1-birds are hatched, birds grow, birds live, birds
grow old, birds die.<BR>> > 2-animals are born, animals grow, animals
live, animals grow old, animals die.<BR>> > 3-plants sprout, plants
grow, plants live, plants grow old, plants die.<BR>> > 4-People are
born, people grow, people live, people grow old, people die.<BR>> > 5-a
business is formed, the business grows, the business thrives, the business
grows old, the business dies.<BR>> > 6-industries form, industries grow,
industries thrive, industries grows old, industries die.<BR>> >
7-etc.<BR>> > 8-Everything has its day in the sun [then trundles into
the mists of history.] Vanity vanity; all is vanity. King
Solomon<BR>> > <BR>> > Nothing lasts forever does it.
Nothing is all inclusive isn't it.<BR>> > <BR>> > But if it makes
you happy:<BR>> > <BR>> > People are falling off transit!
People are falling off transit!<BR>> > The sky is falling! The sky
is falling!<BR>> > Woe is mankind. Woe is mankind.<BR>> >
The end is here. The end is here.<BR>> > <BR>> >
sighhh.<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > Pc<BR>> > <BR>> >
<BR>> > <BR>> >
--------------------------------------------<BR>> > On Sun, 11/24/13,
Fred Schneider <<A
href="mailto:fwschneider@comcast.net">fwschneider@comcast.net</A>>
wrote:<BR>> > <BR>> > Subject: [PRCo] Cleveland numbers<BR>>
> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <<A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</A>><BR>>
> Date: Sunday, November 24, 2013, 4:14 PM<BR>> > <BR>> > Most
agencies in industrial areas had<BR>> > increases in the last three
years because we were coming out<BR>> > of the recession. Of
course if you only<BR>> > look at the last three years, then you miss
the large drop<BR>> > in riding at the beginning of the recession.
<BR>> > <BR>> > Cleveland had a drop of perhaps 12 million the
year going<BR>> > into the 2010 recession but it appears to be masked by
a<BR>> > series break in the counts between 2005 and<BR>> >
2006. A series break is a statistical term<BR>> > when
something happens to screw up the<BR>> > data. The
information was not sent to APTA<BR>> > for 2006 leading me to suspect
that perhaps the guy or gal<BR>> > who was crunching the numbers in 2004
retired and the new<BR>> > person didn't understand how to do it the
same way and took<BR>> > several years to get his or her act<BR>>
> together. Then in 2008, Cleveland sent in<BR>> > data
for both 2006 and 2007. Those 66 and 60 million<BR>> > numbers in
2006 and 2007 look rather fishy. <BR>> > S--t happens.
<BR>> > <BR>> > The true numbers are probably more like a drop to
about 52<BR>> > or 53 million riders in the 2000-2001 recession, then
back<BR>> > up to around 57 million through most of the early 200s
until<BR>> > we hit the big recession and then down to 44<BR>> >
million. <BR>> > <BR>> > Here are the total Cleveland
numbers (Bus, Rapid, Light Rail<BR>> > and Demand Responsive) since 1995
by year from the APTA<BR>> > website.<BR>> > <BR>> >
1995: 58.265 million Cleveland<BR>> > city
population around 492,000. <BR>> > 1996: 58.736 million<BR>>
> 1997: 60.892 million<BR>> > 1998: 60.557 million<BR>> > 1999:
59.300 million<BR>> > 2000: 59.116 million
2000-2001<BR>> > Recession Cleveland city population
2000 census<BR>> > 478,403<BR>> > 2001: 58.128
million Unemployed in<BR>> > Cleveland number
around 45,000.<BR>> > 2002: 52.626 million<BR>> > 2003: 53.446
million Unemployed in<BR>> > Cleveland area top
60,000<BR>> > 2004: 55.419 million<BR>> > 2005: 57.026
million<BR>> > 2006: 66,602 million Average unemployed
in<BR>> > Cleveland about 62,000<BR>> > 2007: 60,025
million Average unemployed in<BR>> > Cleveland region around
67,000<BR>> > 2008: 57,287 million 2008-2009<BR>> >
recession Average unemployment in Cleveland<BR>> >
around 72,000. <BR>> > 2009: 49,706 million
Unemployment over<BR>> > 80,000 people in Cleveland<BR>> > 2010:
44.592 million Average unemployed in<BR>> > Cleveland
between 95,000 and 100,000. City population<BR>> >
396,815. <BR>> > 2011: 46.175 million Average
unemployed in<BR>> > Cleveland about 82,000.<BR>> > 2012: 48.152
million Unemployment in<BR>> > Cleveland in the high 70,000
range. <BR>> > 2012: looks like a 1/3 of 1% increase<BR>>
> <BR>> > <A
href="http://www.deptofnumbers.com/unemployment/ohio/cleveland/">http://www.deptofnumbers.com/unemployment/ohio/cleveland/</A><BR>>
> <BR>> > Phillip, I trust some agency numbers more than<BR>> >
others. Houston, for example, counts light<BR>> > rail
passengers as they walk through a light beam in the car<BR>> >
doorway. No matter how they pay their fare<BR>> > … pass,
cash fare, or simply sneak on … they are<BR>> > counted.
PATCO is probably fairly reliable<BR>> > because every rider has a
magnetically encoded ticket and<BR>> > they are counted going through
the fare gates.<BR>> > <BR>> > In addition, some counts are just
plain lies because the<BR>> > agencies are trying to prove to
politicians that they are<BR>> > worth bigger subsidies.
Some are accidental<BR>> > lies. Some are misunderstandings
of<BR>> > procedures. Some are done by clerks who<BR>>
> don't give a rat's ass. Some are<BR>> >
excellent. <BR>> > <BR>> > But, except for the
apparent break in the numbers in 2006<BR>> > and 2007, I have no reason
to suspect the continuity of the<BR>> > Cleveland numbers because they
mirror what is happening in<BR>> > the economy and with the local
population.<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>>
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