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<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic">Fred</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic">No doubt he got his ideas of big lumbering
trolley cars blocking the streets from the memoirs of the late Anne X
Alpern.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic">You might check the 1959 (or was it 1958) PERC
map against the ca 1947 ERA map of PRC (drawn, AIR, by the "Professional
Iconoclast"). In some respects the latter is more helpful. It might
show what you are describing. I am not near these maps at the moment or I
would research it for you.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic">Dwight</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=fwschneider@comcast.net href="mailto:fwschneider@comcast.net">Fred
Schneider</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">Western PA Trolley
discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, December 08, 2013 1:47
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [PRCo] Regent Square
memories</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Dennis, Ed and anyone else who cares…<BR><BR>Ah,
yes. Can we imagine a modern writer interpreting George
Washington's trip to New York City for his inauguration? How long
did it take Thomas Jefferson to journey from Monticello to the capitol of the
British Colony of Viriginia in Williamsburg? Or what Emperor
Claudius' journey from Rome to Londium in the early years of the first century
AD might have been like? Or jam ups at canal tunnels in Britain in
the19th century? Yes, I will admit that he doesn't interpret
well. Ed, you should send him some pictures of cars stuck in the
November 1950 snowstorm or the 1936 flood.<BR><BR>So Mccloskey or McCloskey
didn't identify where it located. <BR><BR>If you go to Google
maps, and find the intersection of South Braddock Avenue and Allenby Avenue in
Swissvale, Pa., then move the little orange man over to Allenby Avenue on the
map and you will get a street picture that shows double track. Now align
it to face south and walk the man down the street until you get to the same
woods that appears in the newspaper picture. If you never used
Google maps, you can walk the man by clicking the mouse beyond where it is on
the image that has been pulled up. To go back, rotate the image
and do the same. If you wish to slowly advance from one picture to
the next, use the arrows imbedded in the street … click on them.
<BR><BR>The Pittsburgh Electric Railway Club map shows a loop somewhere in
that area near the Parkway East. However, that would not be double
track in a brick street. My hunch is that Allenby today is the old
connection from Braddock Avenue to Monongahela before the parkway was built
and that neither the PERC map (1958) or the Pittsburgh Railways official map
(1955) were ever corrected to show track moved over to the new Braddock Avenue
and the new Monongahela Avenue. I guess that would have happened
in 1951-1953 unless there was a long bridge on the old route over the ravine
where the parkway was and that does not seem possible because Allenby Avenue
is sloping downhill at the same rate as Braddock Avenue does … it would have
had to go under the parkway if it used the old alignment until
1967. <BR><BR>I photographed cars in Rankin on Sunday morning with
Jim Shuman and Norm Vutz but I have no recollection whether we drove down
Braddock Avenue or Edgewood Avenue.<BR><BR>Well, the storm has
hit. White stuff coming own at about 1/2 inch an hour.<BR><BR>To
end on the same note on which I began, one of the best interpretive speeches I
ever enjoyed was given by a docent at William and Mary College in
Williamsburg, Virginia. He began by asking where everyone was
from. And he acknowledged that he knew of all those places …
Philadelphia, Richmond, Lancaster, Baltimore. They were all
familiar to him. Until someone said Chicago. Then
asked, "Where is this place called Chicago." The lady said, "In
the state of Illinois." The docent said, "State, the is not state
called Illinois. Only British colonies." He brought
everybody back to the 1770s. There was nothing west of mountains but fur
trappers and indians. <BR><BR>fws<BR><BR><BR>On Dec 8, 2013, at
10:38 AM, Edward H. Lybarger wrote:<BR><BR>> The writer is not doing the
finest job of interpreting history in its own<BR>> time, is he?<BR>>
<BR>> -----Original Message-----<BR>> From: <A
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[mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces@mailman.dementix.org] On Behalf Of
DF<BR>> Cramer<BR>> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 7:12 AM<BR>> To:
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href="http://triblive.com/opinion/featuredcommentary/5150950-74/pittsburgh-streetc">http://triblive.com/opinion/featuredcommentary/5150950-74/pittsburgh-streetc</A><BR>>
ars-trolleys#axzz2mstNqj9b<BR>> The paper must have been looking for
filler.<BR>> <BR>> Dennis F. Cramer <BR>> <A
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