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<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic">Ed</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic">Wasn't Lunken coded as CIN back in the
day? Someone else has that code now.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic">Dwight</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=trams2@comcast.net href="mailto:trams2@comcast.net">Edward H.
Lybarger</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">'Western PA Trolley
discussion'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, April 26, 2014 5:41
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [PRCo] Airport Codes</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Yes, there are numerous exceptions to the city name's
use. ORD is for<BR>Orchard Field, where Douglas cranked out C-54
aircraft during the war. BAL<BR>went overseas when the airport wanted to
go big time and include Washington<BR>in its name, thus BWI. Cincinnati
is CVG, for Covington (KY), moved from<BR>Lunken Field (LUK). Detroit's
went from DTT (now City Airport) to YIP (the<BR>old Willow Run Airport in
Ypsilanti) to finally DTW (Detroit-Wayne County).<BR>New Orleans's MSY
reflects Moisant Field. You can go to the Tampa Bay area<BR>via PIE in
St. Petersburg, named for Pinellas County, or via the more
common<BR>TPA.<BR><BR>PIT got moved, as did DEN (but at least they dismantled
Stapleton Field) and<BR>JAX (Imeson was likewise obliterated). FMY (Fort
Myers) did not; the new<BR>airport is RSW, Regional Southwest Airport.
At one time, only airports with<BR>passenger service got codes. That
accounts for PIT (moved in 1952). When<BR>Orlando closed its close-in
facility (ORL) to passenger traffic in the early<BR>1960s and changed its name
from Herndon Field to Orlando Executive Airport,<BR>the designator remained,
though all passenger traffic went to MCO (McCoy<BR>AFB). Now every
airfield has a 3-character code, but not always
three<BR>letters.<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: <A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways-bounces@mailman.dementix.org</A><BR>[mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces@mailman.dementix.org]
On Behalf Of<BR>Dwight Long<BR>Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 4:50 PM<BR>To:
Western PA Trolley discussion<BR>Subject: Re: [PRCo] Airport
Codes<BR><BR><BR>Ed<BR><BR>While BAL may well have been the airport code for
Friendship Field at one<BR>time, it now is the code for Batman Airport (he
apparently has his own for<BR>the Batmobile).<BR><BR>OTOH, the airport the
Louisville Bats baseball team uses (if they fly???) is<BR>not BAT nor LVL but
rather SDF, which stands for Standiford Field. A number<BR>of three
place airport codes were concocted for the name of the airport<BR>rather than
the city it served--ORD is one still in use; another was IDL,<BR>which
of course got changed to JFK. IAD and IAH are another couple
of<BR>those. <BR><BR>Another puzzlement is how the current Pgh airport,
formerly also an airbase,<BR>got the code PIT? One would have thought
that the old airport over by West<BR>Mifflin would have kept that code,
instead of being recoded AGC.<BR>Transferring the code seems to be the
exception rather than the norm. The<BR>authorities could easily have
used PGH, which would have been well<BR>understood. (I doubt the Indians
had an airport, at least a commercial one,<BR>back then).<BR><BR>Batman's
airport, BTW, is in Turkey.<BR><BR>Dwight<BR> ----- Original Message
----- <BR> From: Edward H. Lybarger <BR> To: 'Western PA Trolley
discussion' <BR> Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 1:32 PM<BR>
Subject: Re: [PRCo] 9/5/65 - Last day for PAT trolley lines<BR><BR><BR>
Fred's info about which Harrisburg area airport is which is correct.
I<BR>too flew into both of them, but as a passenger. City codes expanded
from<BR>two to three letters after the second war. WA (Washington
National) became<BR>DCA, BO (Baltimore) BAL, RW (Richmond) RIC, PT
(Pittsburgh) PIT, and HX<BR>(Harrisburg [New Cumberland] HAR. Where
practical, the first three letters<BR>of the city's name were
used.<BR><BR> Sometimes they're amusing: Singapore: SIN; Sioux
City: SUX; Fresno: FAT<BR>(for "Fresno Air Terminal")<BR><BR>
-----Original Message-----<BR> From: <A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways-bounces@mailman.dementix.org</A><BR>[mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces@mailman.dementix.org]
On Behalf Of<BR>Dwight Long<BR> Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 11:08
AM<BR> To: 'Western PA Trolley discussion'<BR> Subject: Re: [PRCo]
9/5/65 - Last day for PAT trolley lines<BR><BR><BR> Ed<BR><BR> The
sly point in all this was that it is Middletown s airport by code,
not<BR>Harrisburg s. <BR><BR> Harrisburg must have had an airport
before they got MDT, but I think it<BR>may have been before the codes were
assigned as HBG is assigned to<BR>Hattiesburg, Miss. I find it hard to believe
that the latter beat Harrisburg<BR>to the punch in having a commercial
airport.<BR><BR> Even more fun can be had with asking the question
about<BR>Cincinnati--------------------------<BR><BR>
Dwight<BR><BR> From: Edward H. Lybarger<BR> Sent: Saturday, 26
April, 2014 08:37<BR> To: 'Western PA Trolley discussion' <BR>
Subject: Re: [PRCo] 9/5/65 - Last day for PAT trolley lines
Today's<BR>Harrisburg International Airport (MDT) was the former Olmstead Air
Force<BR>Base near Middletown. Again, your tax dollars at
play.<BR><BR> -----Original Message-----<BR> From: <A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways-bounces@mailman.dementix.org</A><BR>
[mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces@mailman.dementix.org] On Behalf
Of<BR>Dwight Long<BR> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 11:07 PM<BR>
To: Western PA Trolley discussion<BR> Subject: Re: [PRCo] 9/5/65 - Last
day for PAT trolley lines<BR><BR><BR> Fred<BR><BR> I don't have a
clue about the men in Hershey, unless they consumed too<BR>much of the local
product.<BR><BR> The women in Hummelstown are perplexed because the last
flood, supposedly<BR>a<BR> 500 year episode, washed out the local
railway bridge and they have been<BR>cut off from Middletown for a couple of
years. But not to worry, your Govt<BR>to the rescue-the bridge is undergoing
(maybe it is finished by now) a<BR>multi-million dollar repair and the fair
maidens will lament no more.<BR><BR> I just came back from a train trip
that went over a similarly Govt funded,<BR>restored bridge-in White Deer, Pa.,
but the expenditure was only a paltry<BR>million USD.<BR><BR> Your tax
dollars at work. Although I must admit I can think of far worse<BR>uses
for them.<BR><BR> BTW, if one flies into Harrisburg (on commercial
service), whose airport<BR>is used?<BR><BR> Dwight<BR><BR> From:
Fred Schneider<BR> Sent: Thursday, 24 April, 2014 21:07<BR> To:
Western PA Trolley discussion<BR> Subject: Re: [PRCo] 9/5/65 - Last day
for PAT trolley lines<BR> The men in Hershey and women in Hummelstown is
perplexing. Why?<BR><BR> Older versus younger might
represent a change in how some state or federal<BR>government agencies awarded
parking spaces. <BR><BR><BR><BR> On Apr 24, 2014, at 6:58 PM, John
Swindler wrote:<BR><BR> > <BR> > <BR> > When I
first started riding the 7:20 am Hershey bus to Harrisburg <BR> >
around<BR> 2000, ridership never exceeded 6 during first year, and
occasionally I was<BR>the only rider. After 5-6 years, a 40 foot bus was
assigned when ridership<BR>routinely exceeded 20. By 2010, a third bus
was added to the schedule to<BR>alleviate overcrowding.<BR> >
<BR> > About the only constant for a dozen years was that I rode this
bus. <BR> > There<BR> was constant change in the
ridership. For a few years it was mostly<BR>women.<BR> Then for a
few years mostly men. Then switched back to women. At the<BR>end,
men tended to board in Hershey, while the women boarded in
Hummelstown.<BR> Even the age of riders fluctuated. Older riders
in early years. A lot of<BR> young people at the
end. <BR> > <BR> > <BR> >
<BR> > <BR> >> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 18:26:03
-0400<BR> >> From: <A
href="mailto:shadow@dementix.org">shadow@dementix.org</A><BR> >>
To: <A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</A><BR>
>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] 9/5/65 - Last day for PAT trolley lines<BR>
>> <BR> >> On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 5:44 PM, Fred
Schneider<BR> <<A
href="mailto:fwschneider@comcast.net>wrote">fwschneider@comcast.net>wrote</A>:<BR>
>> <BR> >>> Unduplicated route miles in Toronto after the
Bloor subway opened<BR>might<BR> >>> have been around
40ish. At that time Pittsburgh was still running to<BR>
>>> McKeesport, Drake, Library, West View. Millvale and the
West End <BR> >>> One of my favorite examples is a comparison
of two almost identical<BR> cities .<BR> >>> Harrisburg,
Pa. and Victoria, BC. Both have populations on the same<BR>
order<BR> >>> of magnitude but the Canadian city has ten times
more bus riders <BR> >>> than the Pennsylvania city . 150,000
on a weekday in Victoria versus<BR> 15,000 in<BR> >>>
Harrisburg. You stand on the main streets in downtown Victoria
in<BR>the<BR> >>> rush hour and you see buses swallowing up
crowds of people. I did <BR> >>> that<BR>
in<BR> >>> 2007. Harrisburg? Why would I humble
myself to ride a bus? I own a<BR> car.<BR>
>>> <BR> >>> <BR> >> Why would I do
either? my bike certainly took me from Camp Hill to <BR> >> the
Eisenhower Interchange and back easily enough ;)<BR> >> <BR>
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