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<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic">Fred</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic">I flew one of them from PIT to State College
(Black Moshannon airport) once. Stopped in Johnstown on the way and they
only turned off the engine on the pax door side. Unloaded, loaded, and we
were away in 5 or 10 minutes.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic">Dwight</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=fwschneider@comcast.net href="mailto:fwschneider@comcast.net">Fred
Schneider</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">Western PA Trolley
discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, April 26, 2014 6:27
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [PRCo] Harrisburg (and
Middletown) Airports</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>They do now. But remember when Agony Airlines had
those DC3s that crossed the state stopping everywhere in route?
Back then, they flew into Capital City. You could actually fly
from Harrisburg to Lancaster (but it would take you forever to get from either
airport into the city) and you could do it downtown to downtown by train … 36
miles … in 30 minutes.<BR><BR><BR>On Apr 26, 2014, at 4:34 PM, Dwight Long
wrote:<BR><BR>> <BR>> Fred<BR>> <BR>> Thanks for that. But
it apparently has no commercial flights--all now seem to go to
Middletown.<BR>> <BR>> Dwight<BR>> ----- Original Message -----
<BR>> From: Fred Schneider <BR>> To: Western PA Trolley
discussion <BR>> Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 11:37
AM<BR>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] 9/5/65 - Last day for PAT trolley
lines<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> The earlier airport was and still is New
Cumberland, aka Capitol City Aiport (HAR). <BR>> <BR>>
<A
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_City_Airport_(Pennsylvania">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_City_Airport_(Pennsylvania</A>)<BR>>
<BR>> The old Olmstead Air Force Base was closed c. 1963.<BR>>
<BR>> <A
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrisburg_International_Airport">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrisburg_International_Airport</A><BR>>
<BR>> I've flown into both … meaning I was the pilot. The
FAA written test was given at Capitol City so I flew into it to take the
written test. I had a flight instructor who told me I was "ground shy"
so he forced me to fly five feet off the ground at MDT for several miles … you
can do that on a long runway designed for jets. WHERE IS THIS ALL
LEADING. NOWHERE. The property tax bill came and I
woke up and figured it was more important to keep the house I had just built
than playing around flying single engine planes. Never did get my
license but I was within a couple hours of the final check flight back in
1976. It was fun playing. <BR>> <BR>> It
all started when I did an article for TRAINS on the Erie Lackawanna and
figured the only way I could show the proximity of expensive homes to the
railroad was aerial photography. It was fun while it
lasted.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> On Apr 26, 2014, at 11:08 AM, Dwight
Long wrote:<BR>> <BR>>> <BR>>> Ed<BR>>> <BR>>> The
sly point in all this was that it is Middletown’s airport by code, not
Harrisburg’s. <BR>>> <BR>>> Harrisburg must have had an
airport before they got MDT, but I think it may have been before the codes
were assigned as HBG is assigned to Hattiesburg, Miss. I find it hard to
believe that the latter beat Harrisburg to the punch in having a commercial
airport.<BR>>> <BR>>> Even more fun can be had with asking the
question about Cincinnati--------------------------<BR>>> <BR>>>
Dwight<BR>>> <BR>>> From: Edward H. Lybarger <BR>>> Sent:
Saturday, 26 April, 2014 08:37<BR>>> To: 'Western PA Trolley discussion'
<BR>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] 9/5/65 - Last day for PAT trolley
lines<BR>>> Today's Harrisburg International Airport (MDT) was the
former Olmstead Air<BR>>> Force Base near Middletown. Again, your
tax dollars at play.<BR>>> <BR>>> -----Original
Message-----<BR>>> From: <A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways-bounces@mailman.dementix.org</A><BR>>>
[mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces@mailman.dementix.org] On Behalf
Of<BR>>> Dwight Long<BR>>> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 11:07
PM<BR>>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion<BR>>> Subject: Re:
[PRCo] 9/5/65 - Last day for PAT trolley lines<BR>>> <BR>>>
<BR>>> Fred<BR>>> <BR>>> I don't have a clue about the men
in Hershey, unless they consumed too much<BR>>> of the local
product.<BR>>> <BR>>> The women in Hummelstown are perplexed
because the last flood, supposedly a<BR>>> 500 year episode, washed out
the local railway bridge and they have been cut<BR>>> off from
Middletown for a couple of years. But not to worry, your Govt to<BR>>>
the rescue-the bridge is undergoing (maybe it is finished by now)
a<BR>>> multi-million dollar repair and the fair maidens will lament no
more.<BR>>> <BR>>> I just came back from a train trip that went
over a similarly Govt funded,<BR>>> restored bridge-in White Deer, Pa.,
but the expenditure was only a paltry<BR>>> million USD.<BR>>>
<BR>>> Your tax dollars at work. Although I must admit I can think
of far worse<BR>>> uses for them.<BR>>> <BR>>> BTW, if one
flies into Harrisburg (on commercial service), whose airport is<BR>>>
used?<BR>>> <BR>>> Dwight<BR>>> <BR>>> From: Fred
Schneider<BR>>> Sent: Thursday, 24 April, 2014 21:07<BR>>> To:
Western PA Trolley discussion<BR>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] 9/5/65 - Last
day for PAT trolley lines<BR>>> The men in Hershey and women in
Hummelstown is perplexing. Why?<BR>>> <BR>>> Older
versus younger might represent a change in how some state or
federal<BR>>> government agencies awarded parking spaces.
<BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>> On Apr 24, 2014, at 6:58
PM, John Swindler wrote:<BR>>> <BR>>>> <BR>>>>
<BR>>>> When I first started riding the 7:20 am Hershey bus to
Harrisburg around<BR>>> 2000, ridership never exceeded 6 during first
year, and occasionally I was<BR>>> the only rider. After 5-6
years, a 40 foot bus was assigned when ridership<BR>>> routinely
exceeded 20. By 2010, a third bus was added to the schedule
to<BR>>> alleviate overcrowding.<BR>>>> <BR>>>> About
the only constant for a dozen years was that I rode this bus.
There<BR>>> was constant change in the ridership. For a few years
it was mostly women.<BR>>> Then for a few years mostly men. Then
switched back to women. At the end,<BR>>> men tended to board in
Hershey, while the women boarded in Hummelstown.<BR>>> Even the age of
riders fluctuated. Older riders in early years. A lot
of<BR>>> young people at the end. <BR>>>>
<BR>>>> <BR>>>> <BR>>>> <BR>>>>> Date:
Thu, 24 Apr 2014 18:26:03 -0400<BR>>>>> From: <A
href="mailto:shadow@dementix.org">shadow@dementix.org</A><BR>>>>>
To: <A
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org</A><BR>>>>>
Subject: Re: [PRCo] 9/5/65 - Last day for PAT trolley
lines<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 5:44
PM, Fred Schneider<BR>>> <<A
href="mailto:fwschneider@comcast.net>wrote">fwschneider@comcast.net>wrote</A>:<BR>>>>>
<BR>>>>>> Unduplicated route miles in Toronto after the Bloor
subway opened might<BR>>>>>> have been around
40ish. At that time Pittsburgh was still running
to<BR>>>>>> McKeesport, Drake, Library, West View.
Millvale and the West End <BR>>>>>> One of my favorite examples
is a comparison of two almost identical<BR>>> cities
.<BR>>>>>> Harrisburg, Pa. and Victoria, BC. Both
have populations on the same<BR>>> order<BR>>>>>> of
magnitude but the Canadian city has ten times more bus riders
<BR>>>>>> than the Pennsylvania city . 150,000 on a weekday in
Victoria versus<BR>>> 15,000 in<BR>>>>>>
Harrisburg. You stand on the main streets in downtown Victoria in
the<BR>>>>>> rush hour and you see buses swallowing up crowds
of people. I did that<BR>>> in<BR>>>>>> 2007.
Harrisburg? Why would I humble myself to ride a bus? I own
a<BR>>> car.<BR>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>
<BR>>>>> Why would I do either? my bike certainly took me from
Camp Hill to <BR>>>>> the Eisenhower Interchange and back easily
enough ;)<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> <BR>>>>>
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