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<DIV><FONT size=4>There have been RT fares east to west coast recently for
little more than $200. Not many anymore, but they are there. But I
doubt available from your area. Not from PHL either—have to go to NYC area but
that’s well worth it compared with the “New Normal” rates of around $400 from
PHL for the RT. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>For our trip to Alaska recently, Robyn and I flew RT PHL-SEA
for a bit over $500 for both of us, but that did take some doing!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Flying to outlying airports in the US is usually financial
suicide unless someone like Frontier or Spirit goes there—and then one must put
up with all the hassles flying with those folks entails. I recall a rail
trip last year that originated in Cheyenne. It would have cost me about
$200 more to fly there than to Denver, one way. I flew to Denver and took
the Dog to Cheyenne for 20 or 30 bucks.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Flying may be cheaper these days than in the “bad ole days” of
regulation, but it sure is more of a hassle, just to suss out the best (or least
awful) fares for starters!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Dwight</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=trams2@comcast.net
href="mailto:trams2@comcast.net">Edward H. Lybarger</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, 01 September, 2014 12:25</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">'Western PA Trolley
discussion'</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [PRCo] Isaly's -- Then &
Now</DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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style='FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY: inline'>$583
would be right on the money...we paid $609 each for tickets to Palm<BR>Springs
(leaving in two weeks), plus a little more than $100 (each)<BR>additional for
seats that should allow us to get off the plane in time to<BR>make the 40-minute
connection at DFW. There will be $50 more (each) to<BR>check bags at the
airport. So that round trip to California is $775...a<BR>noticeable
increase, considering that you didn't have to pay for all the<BR>extras in
1972. And the DC-9-80s, while extremely thirsty by modern<BR>standards,
likely consume less fuel than their 1972 counterparts. They also<BR>have 2
and 3 seating, which we enjoy.<BR><BR>But PSP is a little airport and fares will
be high...Used Air wanted about<BR>$800 connecting in Phoenix to a regional
sardine can. I can always get a<BR>better fare into LAX but then have to
drive three hours each way; it was<BR>cheaper to fly to Palm Springs. On a
mileage basis, my cost is 17.25 cents<BR>per mile.<BR><BR>By contrast, I'm
flying to Newport News this afternoon on the "new"<BR>PeoplExpress and my round
trip is $248, $70 of which is for a reserved seat<BR>and checked baggage, and
$38.65 is for taxes. That works out to 40.39 cents<BR>per mile. Even at
that price, it's probably good that I am coming back<BR>Thursday, because I
don't see how they can keep the doors open very long on<BR>that kind of
revenue. Even with ancient 737s with little capital cost, the<BR>fuel is
not free. But the alternative is to pay U S Scare double that
and<BR>change planes in Philadelphia. No thanks.<BR><BR>-----Original
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pittsburgh-railways-bounces@mailman.dementix.org<BR>[mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces@mailman.dementix.org]
On Behalf Of Fred<BR>Schneider<BR>Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 11:28
AM<BR>To: Western PA Trolley discussion<BR>Subject: Re: [PRCo] Isaly's -- Then
& Now<BR><BR>Ed, I know the new planes are more fuel efficient
but..<BR><BR>If I take that $104 super saver to the west coast in 1972 and
adjust it for<BR>normal inflation, it should be $583 today.
How do those fools think they<BR>can do it by keeping the fares low and charging
you for a pillow or a glass<BR>of water or a carry-on bag?<BR><BR><BR>On Sep 1,
2014, at 10:32 AM, Edward H. Lybarger wrote:<BR><BR>> Actually American
Airlines does still exist, emerging from bankruptcy <BR>> as American
Airlines Group and simultaneously merging with U S Airways <BR>> with the
latter's management in charge. It was one of very few <BR>>
bankruptcies in which shareholders received anything...and the stock <BR>>
has done rather well since the combination.<BR>> <BR>> That said, having
the US Scare management running things is not <BR>> particularly good for the
customer. Legroom is being reduced, fees <BR>> are being increased, and
services are being limited. Unless, of <BR>> course, you pay extra for
things like flat-recline seats on <BR>> transcontinental services, extra
legroom, and aisle or window seats. <BR>> Mr. Parker and his merry band
believe in nickeling-and-diming, for <BR>> sure. And not always giving
much in return, except the ride. I <BR>> recall one America West flight
out of Phoenix that had mold growing <BR>> out of the air conditioning vents
above the windows. America West is <BR>> Mr. Parker's outfit that took
U S Air out of its final bankruptcy and <BR>> kept its name, just as he did
with American. At least American is buying<BR>new airplanes to replace the
DC-9-80s.<BR>> <BR>> Southwest is still the only airline that is
considered to be <BR>> investment grade.<BR>> <BR>> Ed<BR>> <BR>>
-----Original Message-----<BR>> From:
pittsburgh-railways-bounces@mailman.dementix.org<BR>>
[mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces@mailman.dementix.org] On Behalf Of <BR>>
Dwight Long<BR>> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 9:27 PM<BR>> To: Western
PA Trolley discussion<BR>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Isaly's -- Then &
Now<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Hey, I read Brian Butko's book on the company, and
that is what I <BR>> recalled as well. But there is, per Herb, a store
in West View (any <BR>> others???) that apparently is maintaining the old
traditions in a<BR>satisfactory manner.<BR>> <BR>> American Airlines does
not exist anymore either-but US Scare bought <BR>> the name and is going to
use it in preference to their own.<BR>> <BR>> When D&RGW bought
Southern Pacific, Anschutz elected to use the better <BR>> known<BR>>
(maybe!!!) SP name and so renamed the surviving company that.<BR>> <BR>>
It happens all the time. The key is whether the person or company <BR>>
using the old name is maintaining the old standards, traditions, etc.
<BR>> Herb's report suggests the one in West View (is it an individual
<BR>> outfit or part of a<BR>> chain?) is doing so.<BR>> <BR>>
Dwight<BR>> <BR>> From: Fred Schneider<BR>> Sent: Saturday, 30 August,
2014 20:35<BR>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion<BR>> Subject: Re: [PRCo]
Isaly's -- Then & Now<BR>> Isaly's does not exist. The family
sold the name. Read this:<BR>> <BR>>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaly's<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> On Aug
30, 2014, at 7:47 PM, Dwight Long wrote:<BR>> <BR>>> <BR>>>
Amazing. I did not know any still existed. We had one in my home
<BR>>> town of<BR>> Beaver-it's long gone. My last memory of
Isaly's was eating lunch at <BR>> the one in Homestead in the very last year
of the trams in that town.<BR>>> <BR>>> I will be in the area in a
couple of weeks, but will be at Arden on <BR>>> Friday<BR>> and
Beaver/Newell, W.Va. on Saturday. Do you know of any that are <BR>>
open down that way? I doubt I would have time to go to West View <BR>>
although I agree it would be a pleasant return to yesteryear.<BR>>>
<BR>>> Dwight<BR>>> <BR>>> From: Herb Brannon<BR>>>
Sent: Saturday, 30 August, 2014 12:33<BR>>> To: Western PA Trolley
discussion<BR>>> Subject: [PRCo] Isaly's -- Then & Now When I was
growing up a big <BR>>> treat was to go to the Isaly's store near our
house. One of my many <BR>>> favorites from them was a vanilla
milkshake.<BR>>> They knew how to make them. One "perk" of going to get
one at Isaly's <BR>>> was that all of the milkshake would never fit into
the paper <BR>>> "take-out" cup. It was always the policy at our
neighborhood Isaly's <BR>>> that the clerk would pour the excess into a
glass and tell me to <BR>>> finish it<BR>> off. A real treat back
then.<BR>>> <BR>>> I now work for Allegheny County on Perrysville
Avenue. For lunch, <BR>>> last Tuesday, I decided to go to the Isaly's on
Perry Highway near <BR>>> Center Avenue in West View. It was close, I
could get the chip-chop <BR>>> sandwich and a vanilla milkshake to go and
still have time to finish <BR>>> it back at the workplace. So I ordered
and they began frying the <BR>>> chip-chop and the milkshake machine
sprang to life making that <BR>>> familiar high pitched buzzing sound. I
was looking at the scores of <BR>>> photographs on the wall of this
Isaly's of old West View Park, the <BR>>> PRCo streetcars and other things
when the lady at the counter called <BR>>> me over. She said, "Here drink
this up, it all won't fit into the <BR>>> take out cup". It was deja
vu,<BR>> all over again.<BR>>> <BR>>> This Isaly's is very much
worth going to. Still the same outside <BR>>> storefront and still the
same counter with round stools and the same <BR>>> booths on the opposite
side of the store. Same food cases with <BR>>> Isaly's meat and cheese
products and really great photos on the <BR>>> walls. Well worth going to
West View to see and enjoy.<BR>>> <BR>>> Also, much to my surprise,
is much of the original PRCo/PATransit <BR>>> Route 10-West View trolley
tracks are still hanging around. The place <BR>>> where the cars left
Perrysville Avenue, past Bascombe Street, is <BR>>> still there with the
rails embedded in cobblestone. Much of the north <BR>>> end of that
section of private-right-of-way for the 10 and 11 was <BR>>> taken with
the construction of the Parkway North, aka I-279. Then, <BR>>> just past
Ross Bus Garage the side-of-the-road tracks can be seen <BR>>> gleaming in
the sun just even with the grass growing around them. <BR>>> This goes on
all the way to Center Avenue. I have yet to drive down <BR>>> Center
Avenue to see what still<BR>> remains.<BR>>> <BR>>> Like I said,
it's worth the trip to see the right-of-way and visit<BR>>
Isaly's.<BR>>> <BR>>> --<BR>>> *Herb Brannon*<BR>>>
<BR>>> *In Pittsburgh...........A City and *<BR>>> <BR>>>
<BR>>> *..........................A State Of Mind*<BR>>>
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