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<DIV><FONT size=4>Close enough for government work!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Sounds the same (I think) as the car builder.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Dwight</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=trams2@comcast.net
href="mailto:trams2@comcast.net">Edward H. Lybarger</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, 05 September, 2014 09:27</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org
href="mailto:pittsburgh-railways@mailman.dementix.org">'Western PA Trolley
discussion'</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [PRCo] PRC Interurban Service early
1950s</DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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operator's name was Clarence Brehl.<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From:
pittsburgh-railways-bounces@mailman.dementix.org
[mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces@mailman.dementix.org] On Behalf Of Dwight
Long<BR>Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2014 12:46 PM<BR>To: Western PA Trolley
discussion; Western PA Trolley discussion<BR>Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC Interurban
Service early 1950s<BR><BR><BR>Here is the story of Simmons Loop and its opening
to service. The loop WAS constructed prior to the end of service on Rt. C
early Sunday morning 28 June 1953. It was built such that the curve out of
the loop leading to the northbound main line was laid UNDER the southbound main
track. Just a few hours were needed later that Sunday for crews to cut the
southbound main and put the loop into use.<BR><BR>As to the question of when Rt.
37 became rush hour only, the reference I was seeking is in ERA Electric
Railroads No. 20, published in July 1952, which was authored by John
Baxter. He states: �A local service sharing the trackage out of
Pittsburgh with the interurbans began operation to Fair Haven (Frederick Street)
in 1916, extended later to Shannon, then to Library in 1924. Restrictions
in riding interurbans locally in this area became effective from time to time
from 1916 to the fall of 1951 when Route 37-Shannon service was eliminated
during the off peak hours.� After that rush hour interurbans carried a
small sign in the front window stating something like �first stop Frederick
Street� (I don�t recall the exact wording). Operators were supposed to use
the roll signs for the route WITHOUT the Shannon prefix, i.e. �Charleroi�
instead of �Shannon-Charleroi,� but human nature being what it is I have
no idea how often this nicety was observed. More reliance, I assume, was
placed upon the normals� knowing the drill and staying off the interurbans in
rush hours if they were destined to points short of Frederick Street.<BR><BR>The
same reference confirms that the diversionary route for the interurbans was
indeed Rt. 38 on West Liberty Avenue and not through Beechview on Rt. 42 as I
had remembered. Chalk it up to lapse in old age memory�I was
wrong.<BR><BR>The date of the last run on the W line was the night of 29 August
1953. It was run with an operator named Brill but with a car (1711, now at
Arden) built by St. Louis! The �farewell� trip operated by PERC was on 23
August 1953. Is there anyone else but me on this list who
partook?<BR><BR>So there you have it.<BR><BR>Dwight<BR><BR>From: Dwight
Long<BR>Sent: Thursday, 04 September, 2014 00:08<BR>To: Western PA Trolley
discussion<BR>Subject: Re: [PRCo] Fwd: Re: Why was the Drake Loop
Built?<BR><BR>My recollection is that Simmons was already built when Charleroi
Crumped, and that PRC forces were out there the next day cutting off the main
line and cutting in the loop. I believe this is recorded
somewhere--probably in ERA Headlights.<BR><BR>Dwight<BR> ----- Original
Message -----<BR> From: D Brashear<BR> To: Western PA Trolley
discussion<BR> Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2014 11:12 PM<BR>
Subject: [PRCo] Fwd: Re: Why was the Drake Loop Built?<BR><BR><BR> Note
also this pic from the archive:<BR>
http://lists.dementix.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/03-Track%20Drake%20Loop%20Construct%201953xxxx%2001.jpg<BR><BR>
---------- Forwarded message ----------<BR> From: Edward H. Lybarger
<trams2@comcast.net><BR> Date: Thu, Dec 14, 2006 at 7:44
PM<BR> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Why was the Drake Loop Built?<BR> To:
pittsburgh-railways@dementia.org<BR><BR><BR> Walther Wye opened April 20,
1953. Simmons Loop opened June 29, 1953 (so<BR> for nine days all
cars turned at (West) Library. Drake Loop was placed in<BR> service
September 25, 1953.<BR><BR> -----Original Message-----<BR> From:
pittsburgh-railways-bounce@lists.dementia.org<BR>
[mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce@lists.dementia.org]On Behalf Of
Fred<BR> Schneider<BR> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 5:13
PM<BR> To: pittsburgh-railways@dementia.org<BR> Subject: [PRCo] Re:
Why was the Drake Loop Built?<BR><BR><BR> I'm not sure if you understand
the sequence here Dennis. PRC built<BR> a wye at Walther stop
in March of 1953 and in April they reduced<BR> service beyond that wye to
every hour. Service was provided as far<BR> as Walther (Drake
Wye) every 30 minutes. (At the same schedule<BR>
change, Charleroi cars went to half hourly to West Library Loop at<BR>
hourly beyond West Library.) Then the loop was constructed
under<BR> the viaduct at Drake stop. Ed might have the exact
date that the<BR> loop opened but I think it might have been shortly after
the August<BR> 29, 1953 abandonment of the Washington service ... perhaps
all cars<BR> turned back at Drake Wye for a brief period.<BR><BR>
I'm also not clear when Simmons loop opened. I know
Charleroi<BR> service ended in June 1953 and I have a color slide of a
Library car<BR> in the Simmons loop on August 29, 1953. Therefore, if
there was a<BR> period when all cars turned at West Library, it was not
for longer<BR> than two months.<BR><BR> Write me personally and tell
me about that first semester.....<BR><BR> On Dec 14, 2006, at 4:48 PM, DF
Cramer wrote:<BR><BR> > Does it also not make sense that the company
could build a loop and<BR> > keep<BR> > other service going at
the same time?When it was time to cutback<BR> > service,<BR> >
the loop was already in place and ready to be utilized.<BR> ><BR>
> Yes, I am home and the first semester of school is complete.<BR>
><BR> > Dennis F. Cramer<BR> >
Teacher-Trombonist-Historian-Conductor<BR> >
http://www.geocities.com/df_cramer<BR> ><BR> ><BR>
><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR> --<BR>
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