<div dir="ltr">that was my speculation. the headsign is clearly west penn and i suspect nothing else actually is<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Edward H. Lybarger <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:trams2@comcast.net" target="_blank">trams2@comcast.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-US"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Schoolbook","serif";color:blue">The 250s that survived the arrival of the 830s were taken to Connellsville no later than May 1937 and were scrapped soon thereafter. It is unlikely they were ever in service on the Irwin route, the dash sign for which would have contained Trafford as the westernmost community on the line at that point in time, so that artifact is clearly not from a West Penn “car 255.” The West Penn headlights we have in our archive are not labeled for specific car numbers; that doesn’t say AV didn’t do that, but I have no evidence that they did. Headlights were completely interchangeable, as were the destination signs (except for those on the 830s), thus it is extremely unlikely that West Penn would have spent the time and money to number them for individual cars.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Schoolbook","serif";color:blue"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Schoolbook","serif";color:blue">This is not a matched pair!<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Schoolbook","serif";color:blue"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> D Brashear [mailto:<a href="mailto:shadow@gmail.com" target="_blank">shadow@gmail.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 03, 2014 11:19 AM</span></p><div><div class="h5"><br><b>To:</b> Edward H. Lybarger<br><b>Cc:</b> Western PA Trolley discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [PRCo] so what was done to west penn 714?<u></u><u></u></div></div><p></p><div><div class="h5"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">well, no claim the headsign was from 255, only the headlight. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 10:06 AM, Edward H. Lybarger <<a href="mailto:trams2@comcast.net" target="_blank">trams2@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Schoolbook","serif";color:blue">250-262 were ex-Allegheny Valley cars and did not have permanent headlights. Neither did they have headsigns, as you note. I detect snake oil.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Schoolbook","serif";color:blue"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> D Brashear [mailto:<a href="mailto:shadow@gmail.com" target="_blank">shadow@gmail.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 03, 2014 9:36 AM<br><b>To:</b> Edward H. Lybarger</span><u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br><b>Cc:</b> Western PA Trolley discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [PRCo] so what was done to west penn 714?<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">seemed fishy to me, he also posted a pic of a west penn headsign (sure) and a headlight he claimed was from west penn 255. so.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 9:07 AM, Edward H. Lybarger <<a href="mailto:trams2@comcast.net" target="_blank">trams2@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">There is a reference to other HL equipment in this document. 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