From x779 at webtv.net Tue Nov 4 20:40:50 2008 From: x779 at webtv.net (mrcooby) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 01:40:50 -0000 Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Fwd: And (yawn) another rail proposal for Milwaukee ... Message-ID: Milwaukee-area officials, each with their own public transit ideas, responded with skepticism to Alderman Joe Davis' plan to build a citywide electric rail system. Davis on Friday asked that the city's 2009 budget include freedom to borrow $250 million (PDF) to support construction of a light-rail system (PDF) connecting the entire region. His idea now joins Mayor Tom Barrett's plan to build a light-rail loop around downtown Milwaukee and County Executive Scott Walker's support for county buses and high-speed bus routes stretching from Milwaukee to surrounding cities. So far, there's no compromise between Barrett and Walker on local transit projects, said Peter W. Beitzel, vice president of business development for the Metropolitan Milwaukee Association of Commerce. He would not speculate on whether Davis' idea could shift the gridlock. "We're going forward with our studies," Beitzel said. "Then the compromise will be required. Will this help it or hurt it? I don't know." A coalition including the MMAC, the city, the county and the Wisconsin Center District is studying the ideas Barrett and Walker proposed. Davis said he's familiar with the area's inability to get transit projects rolling, but he said creating the ability to borrow $250 million would demonstrate the city's commitment to progress. Davis said building a rail system would create a lot of long-term jobs for Milwaukee residents who need the work. "We want to speed this thing up," he said. "We're getting our lunch eaten by other municipalities because they are building out their communities." Walker wants $91.5 million the federal government set aside for Milwaukee transit projects to focus on the county bus system. Furthermore, he wondered how people would react to creating a rail system when the city is behind on its cycle of rebuilding streets. "Even if you liked it," Walker said, "it's kind of like saying, `I'm going to make a new driveway when my roof's falling apart.'" Comptroller W. Martin "Wally" Morics last week released his annual report (PDF) detailing the reconstruction cycle for city streets. The 942 miles of streets have a life expectancy of up to 60 years, but, as of 2006, are replaced on average every 160 years. But the city invested more money in roads last year, so the numbers will be better in 2007, Morics said. If borrowing money for rail would hurt the city's ability to shorten the cycle depends on whether taxpayer money is used to pay the debt, Morics said. The city can borrow up to $1.1 billion, and right now it's hovering around $650 million to $750 million, he said. If taxes, rather than federal guarantees or train fares, pay off the $250 million, it would eat up a good chunk of the city's remaining ability to borrow for projects, he said. Davis said the city's approval of a wheel tax this year would generate more money for road projects. And, he said, his idea has perks that benefit the county, including stops at county-owned facilities such as the zoo, Milwaukee Regional Medical Center and General Mitchell International Airport. "I think (Walker) has a vested interest because all of the other plans that have been submitted don't take into account our regional partner," Davis said, referring to the county. Beitzel said he doesn't see any compromise in sight, and there is probably not enough buying power in the $91.5 million in federal cash to support Barrett's and Walker's ideas. Faced with a logjam that existed before he entered the mix, Davis said he's hopeful his idea can stir some movement. "I'm not a pessimist," he said. --- End forwarded message --- From x779 at webtv.net Wed Nov 5 00:51:52 2008 From: x779 at webtv.net (mrcooby) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 05:51:52 -0000 Subject: [milwaukee-electric] And (yawn) another rail proposal for Milwaukee ... Message-ID: Milwaukee-area officials, each with their own public transit ideas, responded with skepticism to Alderman Joe Davis' plan to build a citywide electric rail system. Davis on Friday asked that the city's 2009 budget include freedom to borrow $250 million to support construction of a light-rail system connecting the entire region. His idea now joins Mayor Tom Barrett's plan to build a light- rail loop around downtown Milwaukee and County Executive Scott Walker's support for county buses and high-speed bus routes stretching from Milwaukee to surrounding cities. So far, there's no compromise between Barrett and Walker on local transit projects, said Peter W. Beitzel, vice president of business development for the Metropolitan Milwaukee Association of Commerce. He would not speculate on whether Davis' idea could shift the gridlock. "We're going forward with our studies," Beitzel said. "Then the compromise will be required. Will this help it or hurt it? I don't know." A coalition including the MMAC, the city, the county and the Wisconsin Center District is studying the ideas Barrett and Walker proposed. Davis said he's familiar with the area's inability to get transit projects rolling, but he said creating the ability to borrow $250 million would demonstrate the city's commitment to progress. Davis said building a rail system would create a lot of long-term jobs for Milwaukee residents who need the work. "We want to speed this thing up," he said. "We're getting our lunch eaten by other municipalities because they are building out their communities." Walker wants $91.5 million the federal government set aside for Milwaukee transit projects to focus on the county bus system. Furthermore, he wondered how people would react to creating a rail system when the city is behind on its cycle of rebuilding streets. "Even if you liked it," Walker said, "it's kind of like saying, `I'm going to make a new driveway when my roof's falling apart.'" Comptroller W. Martin "Wally" Morics last week released his annual report detailing the reconstruction cycle for city streets. The 942 miles of streets have a life expectancy of up to 60 years, but, as of 2006, are replaced on average every 160 years. But the city invested more money in roads last year, so the numbers will be better in 2007, Morics said. If borrowing money for rail would hurt the city's ability to shorten the cycle depends on whether taxpayer money is used to pay the debt, Morics said. The city can borrow up to $1.1 billion, and right now it's hovering around $650 million to $750 million, he said. If taxes, rather than federal guarantees or train fares, pay off the $250 million, it would eat up a good chunk of the city's remaining ability to borrow for projects, he said. Davis said the city's approval of a wheel tax this year would generate more money for road projects. And, he said, his idea has perks that benefit the county, including stops at county-owned facilities such as the zoo, Milwaukee Regional Medical Center and General Mitchell International Airport. "I think (Walker) has a vested interest because all of the other plans that have been submitted don't take into account our regional partner," Davis said, referring to the county. Beitzel said he doesn't see any compromise in sight, and there is probably not enough buying power in the $91.5 million in federal cash to support Barrett's and Walker's ideas. Faced with a logjam that existed before he entered the mix, Davis said he's hopeful his idea can stir some movement. "I'm not a pessimist," he said. =========================== From tr2manz at frontiernet.net Fri Nov 7 09:08:25 2008 From: tr2manz at frontiernet.net (Thomas Manz) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 09:08:25 -0500 Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: First & Fastest - Articles of Milwaukee area interest In-Reply-To: <4D14BEA858C249A58596892F6FB3A9FE@DickPC> References: <4D14BEA858C249A58596892F6FB3A9FE@DickPC> Message-ID: <3C6A5A0F85494E0AB814FB79D2C1F121@ManzPC> Hi Dick - I would like a copy. Thanks, Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Myers" To: Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 12:37 PM Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: First & Fastest - Articles of Milwaukee area interest >I have the PDF file available if anyone wants me to email it to them, since > the list does not support sending attachments. > > Regards.......Dick > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dick Myers" > To: "Milwaukee Electric" > Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 7:18 PM > Subject: [milwaukee-electric] First & Fastest - Articles of Milwaukee area > interest > > >> The Autumn issue of First & Fastest, from the Shoreline Interurban >> Historical Society, has a long article written by William Kane titled >> "The >> Last Train to Greendale", about a short lived branch line of TMER&L built >> at the time Greendale was being developed. Included are some good photos >> and maps. The line ended near the current Southridge mall. >> In the same issue is a short article by John Miller about TM tracks >> exposed during a sewer project in Waukesha. >> >> If anyone on the list has not seen these, when I am home next weekend I >> could scan them an email PDF files to you off line. I don't think the >> list allows for file attachments. >> >> Regards.......Dick >> > > > > From ktjosephson at embarqmail.com Fri Nov 7 10:09:30 2008 From: ktjosephson at embarqmail.com (Ken and Tracie) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 07:09:30 -0800 Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: First & Fastest - Articles of Milwaukee area interest References: <4D14BEA858C249A58596892F6FB3A9FE@DickPC> <3C6A5A0F85494E0AB814FB79D2C1F121@ManzPC> Message-ID: This carving reminds of me of photos of the Milwaukee Northern's original A.C. line: Subject: Profile: From: Date: Another way to tell people that you are kooky about insulators!!!! Miles (O-B Mike) Mclall, Dammeron Valley, UT "Miles (O-B Mike) Mclall" Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:01:41 -0800 (PST) Hello ICON, Here is what I did for halloween. O-B Mike http://www.insulators.info/pictures/?id=230498816 http://www.insulators.info/pictures/?id=230499280 http://www.insulators.info/pictures/?id=230499987 From sbgreig_m1 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 7 11:02:21 2008 From: sbgreig_m1 at yahoo.com (Scott Greig) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 08:02:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: First & Fastest - Articles of Milwaukee area interest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <276741.62809.qm@web65516.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> I LOVE it!!! ? (Though I can only guess how many kids were staring at it saying, "Whaaaaa.....??????") ? Oh well...in the Brave New World any source of amusement helps!) --- On Fri, 11/7/08, Ken and Tracie wrote: From: Ken and Tracie Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: First & Fastest - Articles of Milwaukee area interest To: milwaukee-electric at lists.dementia.org Date: Friday, November 7, 2008, 9:09 AM This carving reminds of me of photos of the Milwaukee Northern's original A.C. line: Subject: Profile: From: Date: Another way to tell people that you are kooky about insulators!!!! Miles (O-B Mike) Mclall, Dammeron Valley, UT "Miles (O-B Mike) Mclall" Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:01:41 -0800 (PST) Hello ICON, Here is what I did for halloween. O-B Mike http://www.insulators.info/pictures/?id=230498816 http://www.insulators.info/pictures/?id=230499280 http://www.insulators.info/pictures/?id=230499987 From ktjosephson at embarqmail.com Fri Nov 7 11:21:44 2008 From: ktjosephson at embarqmail.com (Ken and Tracie) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 08:21:44 -0800 Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Milwaukee Northern Jack O' Lantern References: <276741.62809.qm@web65516.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: For next year, he needs to carve the rest of the pole (with a feeder cable crossarm and a bracket arm), then add a nice single ended Niles interurban. The color would be correct for pre-1922. ;-) K. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Greig" To: Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 8:02 AM Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: First & Fastest - Articles of Milwaukee area interest >I LOVE it!!! > > (Though I can only guess how many kids were staring at it saying, > "Whaaaaa.....??????") From ktjosephson at embarqmail.com Fri Nov 7 11:22:29 2008 From: ktjosephson at embarqmail.com (Ken and Tracie) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 08:22:29 -0800 Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: First & Fastest - Articles of Milwaukee area interest References: <4D14BEA858C249A58596892F6FB3A9FE@DickPC> <3C6A5A0F85494E0AB814FB79D2C1F121@ManzPC> Message-ID: Derrick will reset this list to support attachments when he gets a chance to do so. That will simplify things. K. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Manz" To: Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 6:08 AM Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: First & Fastest - Articles of Milwaukee area interest > Hi Dick - > I would like a copy. > Thanks, > Tom > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dick Myers" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 12:37 PM > Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: First & Fastest - Articles of Milwaukee > area interest > > >>I have the PDF file available if anyone wants me to email it to them, >>since >> the list does not support sending attachments. >> >> Regards.......Dick >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dick Myers" >> To: "Milwaukee Electric" >> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 7:18 PM >> Subject: [milwaukee-electric] First & Fastest - Articles of Milwaukee >> area >> interest >> >> >>> The Autumn issue of First & Fastest, from the Shoreline Interurban >>> Historical Society, has a long article written by William Kane titled >>> "The >>> Last Train to Greendale", about a short lived branch line of TMER&L >>> built >>> at the time Greendale was being developed. Included are some good >>> photos >>> and maps. The line ended near the current Southridge mall. >>> In the same issue is a short article by John Miller about TM tracks >>> exposed during a sewer project in Waukesha. >>> >>> If anyone on the list has not seen these, when I am home next weekend I >>> could scan them an email PDF files to you off line. I don't think the >>> list allows for file attachments. >>> >>> Regards.......Dick >>> >> >> >> >> > > From x779 at webtv.net Fri Nov 7 12:02:14 2008 From: x779 at webtv.net (mrcooby) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 17:02:14 -0000 Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Poll: Streetcar, Rail, or Bus Rapid Transit? Message-ID: Louis Rugani wrote: "Click and vote: http://www.metro- magazine.com/PastPolls.aspx Thanks for voting!" ========================= What happened to this poll? The poll for Streetcar, Rail or Bus is no longer showing. Does anybody have the results? Regards, Fred M. Cain ========================= That poll went for weeks, and 'Streetcar' was always ahead by about 55% with 'Rail' at about 35% and 'Bus' at around 10% -- until the very end, when literally overnight somebody hacked the poll so that 'Bus' was suddenly at 90% right at the point when METRO Magazine ended the poll, freezing that fraudulent result. It turned out that repeat votes were being permitted. I contacted the publisher, Mr. Frank DiGiacomo, and he had a staffer (Jenna) contact me. Jenna agreed to check the poll and if it appeared to be skewed, to void it out. The poll "results" stayed up for several weeks and when I reminded Jenna, it was taken off "Past poll Results" permanently. And now all METRO polls will be set for one vote per person. I want to thank everyone who participated. =Lou= From sbgreig_m1 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 7 12:59:40 2008 From: sbgreig_m1 at yahoo.com (Scott Greig) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 09:59:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Milwaukee Northern Jack O' Lantern In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <849222.5208.qm@web65505.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Naah, let's see him get really creative...a Bates Expanded Steel Pole! --- On Fri, 11/7/08, Ken and Tracie wrote: From: Ken and Tracie Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Milwaukee Northern Jack O' Lantern To: milwaukee-electric at lists.dementia.org Date: Friday, November 7, 2008, 10:21 AM For next year, he needs to carve the rest of the pole (with a feeder cable crossarm and a bracket arm), then add a nice single ended Niles interurban. The color would be correct for pre-1922. ;-) K. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Greig" To: Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 8:02 AM Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: First & Fastest - Articles of Milwaukee area interest >I LOVE it!!! > > (Though I can only guess how many kids were staring at it saying, > "Whaaaaa.....??????") From don0731 at gte.net Fri Nov 7 19:25:05 2008 From: don0731 at gte.net (Don Ross) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 18:25:05 -0600 Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: First & Fastest - Articles of Milwaukee area interest References: <4D14BEA858C249A58596892F6FB3A9FE@DickPC> <3C6A5A0F85494E0AB814FB79D2C1F121@ManzPC> Message-ID: <179BC2E1F0FC4B739E6B5EB610E2B915@nad693f8e01064> That item was terrific. I remember when I was out there when the pictures were taken. It was a great bunch of guys when we were basically a bunch of kids. Time flies. From lallan45 at gmail.com Fri Nov 7 21:56:17 2008 From: lallan45 at gmail.com (Larry Allan) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 20:56:17 -0600 Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Memories of Milwaukee In-Reply-To: <2781-48E108E3-7869@storefull-3151.bay.webtv.net> References: <2781-48E108E3-7869@storefull-3151.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: Sorry to be a bit late on this subject, but I wanted to check first before posting. If you want to take a Elevator Ride into history, the Century Building on the northeast corner of N. 3rd and Wells St. still has the Man Operated old elevators with expanding gates and glass doors. On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 10:57 AM, Don L. Leistikow wrote: > jdl896 and list: Great nostalic rememberances. > > I recall more of the Boston Store history as I am quite older than you. > The Toy Department was on the 8th floor and that part of the 'Store' was > nine floors high. The 'Store' was comprised of three connected > buildings. The front store on Wisconsin was only six stories tall. > There were two banks of elevators, one bank of four on the East wall and > another four on the West wall. These were the most elegant 'cars' and > included the brass expanding protective gate. > > > The central building had four elevators on the west wall only. These > 'cars' did not have the expanding gate for passenger protection and were > simply open. I beleve that these were ultimately removed, although the > stairway remains. This construction was nine stories high. > > > The south building was also nine stories tall and had a bank of four > elevators on the east wall, relatively central located. These 'cars' > did not have the expanding gate, either. > > To identify the three buildings, look at the west wall on 4th Street and > notice the different window styles. > > The ninth floor was given over to the Candy Kitchen (they made their own > Chocolates) where my Father's cousin worked. The employee's cafeteria > was also up there. The freight elevators (three) were also on the east > wall and were accessed for trucks on a L shaped alley, mid-block off > Michigan Street. The Boston Store's 'all electric home' was also > located adjacent to the east wall on ground level. Patrons could tour > this house and see the new Interior Decorations and the latest electric > appliances. The 'house' was illuminated at night by a floodlight > mounted on the roof of the Public Service Building's Third and Michigan > corner. Access to the home was only from the 'Store'. Later, the home > was torn down and a two level parking structure was built there. > > The L shaped Alley was also accessed from Third Street, next to the old > legitimate Davidson Theater. Many fine Broadway styled shows were > staged there. > > I worked there for some seven years. I started as a part-timer while in > Wauwatosa High School, 1943-1946. My first job was as a busboy in the > sixth floor restaurant, a Saturday job during school days and a full > time job during the summer. Being on my feet all day wore them out and > by five pm, my feet tingled. > > > In 1944, I transfered into the Stock Department. My first assignment > was to maintain the supplies for the Men's Furnishing department on the > 8th floor. This was before they moved the toy department up there. The > Department Manager would phone for more shirts or sweaters and I would > pull same, tie the boxes with string and pitch them into a vertical > circular chute which ran to the main floor. > > At five pm, we stockboys would commandeer an east wall elevator, clipup > wall pads and then bring down major refill supplies to the mainfloor > departments. These supplies were loaded on four by six wheeled tables. > The newer tables were made with metal frames and had a separate three > sided expanded metal frame to secure the stock from falling off. These > frames were also of great necessity for applying tax stamps to > cigarettes. We would open the cases and then slit the carton bottoms > open and folding them over. Bottom side up, we then built up some three > high levels. Then the strips of tax stamps were applied by hand after > wetting the gummed paper and sliding the stamps onto the packs of > cigarettes. > > The older wheeled tables were all wood, painted a light green and had > metal, roller skate type casters. No sides were available here but then > we were careful to not let any stock fall off. The thrill of these was > that the metal casters would create a loud noise as we double teamed all > of the tables across the main floor marble material. With a man on the > front and back, we rushed these older tables to the department location > with a resounding noise not unlike a siren that would cause patrons to > part the aisles like the parting of the sea in Biblical History. > > Oh, the fun of it all. Well, my boss asked me if I could come in > during the week for an hour and one half, for this specific purpose. > Coming in from Wauwatosa High School, was a daunting question. I told > him that I would check schedules. I discovered that a Route 67 bus was > scheduled at 3:30 pm exactly at the time the school bell rang. There > would be no way for me to rush from my German class in the old building > (NW corner) go through the tunnel underneath 76th street, get up to my > locker on the 3rd floor of the new building (NE corner) then, come down > to catch this bus. > > The 'kicker' is that this bus made connection with an eastbound Local > Rapid Transit car at 84th street. The key was to get a pass to exit my > class five minutes early. I got this permanent pass from the school VP > and wallah, I was in business. The Local RTL car arrived downtown and I > was able to do a brisk walk to the south elevators, get up to the 8th > floor and punch the timeclock at just 4 pm. That was in 1944 and you > can't do that today. > > Living just south of Bluemound Road, the Local Rapid Transit service was > prominent in our family transportation. My Father lost his automobile > during the Great Depression, and never bought another. Our home was > relatively in the center of the two legs of the Route 10 Wells~Downer > streetcars which had the big 500 series cars in service. So, early on, > we rode Route 10 until we learned of the LRT service. After that, we > rode the 'Rapid' almost exclusively. > > As these were the War years, most of the public transit service was > 'standing room only'. The rear platforms of the 1100's were jammed as > no one got off until reaching 68th street. Duplexes and two car MU > trains were common during the rush-hours. Some services actually > fielded three car trains, not common on the west side lines, though. In > this configuration, the single car usually held the headend with a > trailing Duplex. This was of necessity due to the restrictive length of > the various platforms so, this arrangement was the shortest in > comparison to coupling the single car as the rear unit. > > 'Nuff', for now.... Don > > > From lallan45 at gmail.com Fri Nov 7 23:55:50 2008 From: lallan45 at gmail.com (Larry Allan) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 22:55:50 -0600 Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Milwaukee Memories/ Elevators Message-ID: Sorry to be a bit late on this subject as this was discussed back on Sept. 29th, but I wanted to check first before posting. If you want to take a Elevator Ride into history, the Century Building on the northeast corner of N. 3rd and Wells St. still has the Man Operated old elevators with expanding brass gates and glass doors. From ktjosephson at embarqmail.com Sat Nov 8 10:34:37 2008 From: ktjosephson at embarqmail.com (Ken and Tracie) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 07:34:37 -0800 Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Something of Interest References: Message-ID: <3682658B9DA44F4EA42478E5D5E417B3@KTJosephson> http://buzzer.translink.ca/index.php/2008/11/update-on-the-retired-trolleys-sailing-to-south-america/ From DLeistikow at webtv.net Sat Nov 8 12:11:30 2008 From: DLeistikow at webtv.net (Don L. Leistikow) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 11:11:30 -0600 Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Something of Interest In-Reply-To: "Ken and Tracie" 's message of Sat, 8 Nov 2008 07:34:37 -0800 Message-ID: <25297-4915C842-14624@storefull-3152.bay.webtv.net> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://mailman.dementix.org/pipermail/milwaukee-electric/attachments/20081108/813f28c7/attachment.ksh From ktjosephson at embarqmail.com Tue Nov 11 00:59:36 2008 From: ktjosephson at embarqmail.com (Ken and Tracie) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:59:36 -0800 Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Something of Interest References: <25297-4915C842-14624@storefull-3152.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <72BCFD3654774237B760BFBC29057967@KTJosephson> Try this instead: http://buzzer.translink.ca:80/index.php/2008/11/update-on-the-retired-trolleys-sailing-to-south-america/ K. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don L. Leistikow" To: Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 9:11 AM Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Something of Interest > Ken: The url doesn't upload. It goes on and on loading until it > disconnects. > fwiw........ Don L. > > > > -- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below -- > -- Type: Message/RFC822 > -- Size: 3k (3952 bytes) > -- URL : http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/ecartWYb4iu > > > From DLeistikow at webtv.net Tue Nov 11 02:37:47 2008 From: DLeistikow at webtv.net (Don L. Leistikow) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 01:37:47 -0600 Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Something of Interest In-Reply-To: "Ken and Tracie" 's message of Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:59:36 -0800 Message-ID: <25297-4919364B-18505@storefull-3152.bay.webtv.net> Ken..... Same result. I expect that this subject matter is too large for my webtv to download. Usually, only jpeg works with occassional small uploads via pdf. Thanks, anyway.... Don From x779 at webtv.net Thu Nov 20 12:12:57 2008 From: x779 at webtv.net (Louis Rugani) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:12:57 GMT Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Santa on the Streetcar Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: streetcarbrad Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 1:01 PM To: KenoshaStreetcars at yahoogroups.com Subject: ~ Santa on the Streetcar Saturday Dec. 6th, Noon to 4, Kenosha Streetcar Two streetcars are scheduled to be decorated this year, the Pittsburgh and Chicago cars, and on Saturday December 6th the decorated streetcars are scheduled to operate noon to 4 pm (one car will operate the normal hours of 10:05 am to 5:35 pm) Santa and helpers are to ride along and later help with the tree lighting, http://www.kenosha.org/kenevents/events/tree_lighting.html ------------------------------------ Streetcar line expansion poll: http://www.kenoshawis.com/votestreetcar.htm Current Poll tally and Comments: http://www.kenoshawis.com/Frames.htm Homepage: http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/KenoshaStreetcars Kenosha Streetcar photos and related: http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/KenoshaStreetcars/lst http://davesrailpix.railfan.net/odds/wi/htm/kjken.htm Calendar (bold dates are significant) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/KenoshaStreetcars/cal Metra-to-Milwaukee updates: http://www.sewrpc.org/wiseride/default.htm Glossary of electric-railway terms: http://trolleystogo.org/glossary.htm Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/KenoshaStreetcars/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/KenoshaStreetcars/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:KenoshaStreetcars-digest at yahoogroups.com mailto:KenoshaStreetcars-fullfeatured at yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: KenoshaStreetcars-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From ktjosephson at embarqmail.com Tue Nov 25 22:13:18 2008 From: ktjosephson at embarqmail.com (Ken and Tracie) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 19:13:18 -0800 Subject: [milwaukee-electric] 75th Anniversary Message-ID: <7D79A9A0E7C948A585C2721F610B59C5@KTJosephson> http://poneke.wordpress.com:80/2008/11/26/mocba/ http://russiatoday.com/features/news/33625/video