From lallan45 at gmail.com  Sat Oct  3 00:35:55 2009
From: lallan45 at gmail.com (Larry Allan)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 23:35:55 -0500
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Return to Posting 9-30-08- MEMORIES OF MILWAUKEE
Message-ID: <bdfe68d40910022135q76b9c4dembb38e8f09134e7ac@mail.gmail.com>

In the 9-30-08 posting old Elevators were discussed. I had stated
there is an existing,old elevator,still having an Elevator Operator at
the Century Building located at N. 3rd. St. & W. Wells St.
 I have attached eight images. I hope they bring back some memories. I
must say, when I rode this Elevator, I forgot how Fast they were.

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From DLeistikow at webtv.net  Sat Oct  3 01:17:38 2009
From: DLeistikow at webtv.net (Don L. Leistikow)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 00:17:38 -0500
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Return to Posting 9-30-08- MEMORIES OF
	MILWAUKEE
In-Reply-To: Larry Allan <lallan45@gmail.com>'s message of Fri, 2 Oct 2009
	23:35:55 -0500
Message-ID: <23841-4AC6DE72-4048@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net>

Larry Allan and list:   'and they have three of them in the Century
Building at 3rd and Wells.                                                       

The Boston Store, which is made up of three buildings .... has what
appears to be identical elevators in the north, six floor structure on
the corner of 4th and Wisconsin.   A bank of four, as I recall.
Complete with the same expanding gates as shown in the photos which you
forwarded.                                                

Classic 'Cars', they are!   I spent some six years with the Boston
Store, part-time while attending High School then, full time after
serving a hitch in the US Navy.   But that was way back between 1944 and
1950.                                                        

Thanks, for the astute rememberance.       

Don L.    



From sbgreig_m1 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  3 09:29:37 2009
From: sbgreig_m1 at yahoo.com (Scott Greig)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 06:29:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Return to Posting 9-30-08- MEMORIES OF MILWAUKEE
In-Reply-To: <bdfe68d40910022135q76b9c4dembb38e8f09134e7ac@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <505215.88848.qm@web65511.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

The last manual elevators in downtown Chicago were in the Unity Building on Dearborn just south of Randolph.  It fell in 1988-89 as part of the infamous "Block 37" project.

There is one manual elevator in the West Loop, a freight elevator in a small building across from CTA headquarters.  

--- On Fri, 10/2/09, Larry Allan <lallan45 at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Larry Allan <lallan45 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Return to Posting 9-30-08- MEMORIES OF MILWAUKEE
> To: milwaukee-electric at lists.dementia.org
> Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 11:35 PM
> In the 9-30-08 posting old Elevators
> were discussed. I had stated
> there is an existing,old elevator,still having an Elevator
> Operator at
> the Century Building located at N. 3rd. St. & W. Wells
> St.
>  I have attached eight images. I hope they bring back some
> memories. I
> must say, when I rode this Elevator, I forgot how Fast they
> were.
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From x779 at webtv.net  Sat Oct  3 10:35:03 2009
From: x779 at webtv.net (Louis Rugani)
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 14:35:03 GMT
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Manual elevators: Chicago
Message-ID: <BAY0-DAV-0261033D83FC3A25E13869A98D10@phx.gbl>

I rode one a week ago at the Racquet Club, 1535 N. Dearborn.

=Lou=

~~~~~~~~~~ **-=\/=-** ~~~~~~~~~~

The opposite of bravery is not cowardice, but conformity.       Robert Anthony




From dickmyers at wi.rr.com  Sat Oct  3 10:50:59 2009
From: dickmyers at wi.rr.com (Dick Myers)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 09:50:59 -0500
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Return to Posting 9-30-08- MEMORIES OF MILWAUKEE
References: <505215.88848.qm@web65511.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3AD1A185ACE14170A0D5907AD6910C3E@DickPC>

There is still a manual elevator in Chicago, in the Fine Arts Building on 
Michigan, near the Art Institute.  I rode on it last Saturday.

It was built as the Studebaker Building, home to the Studebaker Carriage 
Company.  Manufacturing of the carriages was on the upper floors, showrooms 
on the lower floor.  They later moved to South Bend, where they built cars.

Very interesting building to visit, with many nice architectural features. 
Frank Lloyd Wright had a studio there.  Also home to the now closed 
Studebaker Theater.

Regards.......Dick
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Greig" <sbgreig_m1 at yahoo.com>
To: <milwaukee-electric at lists.dementia.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 8:29 AM
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Return to Posting 9-30-08- MEMORIES OF 
MILWAUKEE


> The last manual elevators in downtown Chicago were in the Unity Building 
> on Dearborn just south of Randolph.  It fell in 1988-89 as part of the 
> infamous "Block 37" project.
>
> There is one manual elevator in the West Loop, a freight elevator in a 
> small building across from CTA headquarters.



From x779 at webtv.net  Mon Oct  5 10:35:09 2009
From: x779 at webtv.net (Louis Rugani)
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 14:35:09 GMT
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Lorain, Ohio officials visit the KERy.
Message-ID: <BAY0-DAV-0394BE6D71A53B413E62C9498CF0@phx.gbl>




-----Original Message-----
From: LouRugani
Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 9:33 AM
To: kenoshastreetcars at onelist.com, milwaukee-electric at onelist.com, trolleys at onelist.com, c
Subject: Lorain, Ohio officials visit the KERy.

The bidding process for the Trolleyville USA collection being sold off by successor Lake Shore Electric Railway Museum is proving to be a 
lively one.

Museum director Gary Brookins, the son of founder Gerald E. Brookins, said 35 museums viewed the equipment during a public inspection in late 
August and bids have begun to roll in.

Likewise, the Lorain County (Ohio) Port Authority 
<http://www.lcportauthority.org>, which has incorporated a 501(c)(3) not-for-profit to operate a tourist railway linking its Lake Erie waterfront with its downtown business district, expects to bid for a number of cars, especially those with a Cleveland or Ohio connection.

"It's quite a neat collection," said Tom Brown, Lorain County Port Authority director, who said he would like to acquire as much of the collection as financial backers will allow, without being specific. 
"We're just trying to get our track up and running. We've been at it too long (seven years) and we've got to get something so that people can see them, feel them and hear them."

Brown said Lorain County officials have visited the Kenosha Electric Ry., among other properties, and plan a line based on the Kenosha model.






From ktjosephson at embarqmail.com  Mon Oct  5 16:18:33 2009
From: ktjosephson at embarqmail.com (Ken and Tracie)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 13:18:33 -0700
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] St. Louis Car Company & St. Louis Malleable
References: <BAY0-DAV-0394BE6D71A53B413E62C9498CF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <59D0FC3734194454AADAE5050098DE3C@KTJosephson>

Hi All,

I know that TMER&L and St. Louis Public Service Company were both holdings 
of North American Company. I also know that TM bought a lot of traction 
equipment from St. Louis Car and a lot of power line hardware from St. Louis 
Malleable.

St. Louis Car Company and St. Louis Malleable were located near each other 
in what was once Baden, an area which was annexed by the City of St. Louis.

My question is...........were there any corporate ties between TMER&L or 
North American with either of these St. Louis based companies?

Thanks for any replies.

K. 



From sbgreig_m1 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  5 18:01:25 2009
From: sbgreig_m1 at yahoo.com (Scott Greig)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 15:01:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: St. Louis Car Company & St. Louis Malleable
In-Reply-To: <59D0FC3734194454AADAE5050098DE3C@KTJosephson>
Message-ID: <437945.66342.qm@web65506.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

John I. Beggs is the main corporate connection I can think of between TMER&L and St. Louis Car.  Remember, after he was ousted from TMER&L in 1911(?), Beggs worked his way into St. Louis Car and managed to turn it around from a period of major financial troubles.

--- On Mon, 10/5/09, Ken and Tracie <ktjosephson at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> From: Ken and Tracie <ktjosephson at embarqmail.com>
> Subject: [milwaukee-electric] St. Louis Car Company & St. Louis Malleable
> To: milwaukee-electric at lists.dementia.org
> Date: Monday, October 5, 2009, 3:18 PM
> Hi All,
> 
> I know that TMER&L and St. Louis Public Service Company
> were both holdings 
> of North American Company. I also know that TM bought a lot
> of traction 
> equipment from St. Louis Car and a lot of power line
> hardware from St. Louis 
> Malleable.
> 
> St. Louis Car Company and St. Louis Malleable were located
> near each other 
> in what was once Baden, an area which was annexed by the
> City of St. Louis.
> 
> My question is...........were there any corporate ties
> between TMER&L or 
> North American with either of these St. Louis based
> companies?
> 
> Thanks for any replies.
> 
> K. 
> 
> 
> 


From lallan45 at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 01:23:52 2009
From: lallan45 at gmail.com (Larry Allan)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 00:23:52 -0500
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: St. Louis Car Company & St. Louis Malleable
In-Reply-To: <59D0FC3734194454AADAE5050098DE3C@KTJosephson>
References: <BAY0-DAV-0394BE6D71A53B413E62C9498CF0@phx.gbl>
	 <59D0FC3734194454AADAE5050098DE3C@KTJosephson>
Message-ID: <bdfe68d40910052223n321343d7gf5963d73d12d8fc@mail.gmail.com>

I found a 1905 NY TIMES article regarding a plan to Merge many of
these companies. If the Merger ever did occur, I don't know. See the
article link: http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=2&res=950CE0D6143AE733A25753C3A9619C946497D6CF

On 10/5/09, Ken and Tracie <ktjosephson at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I know that TMER&L and St. Louis Public Service Company were both holdings
> of North American Company. I also know that TM bought a lot of traction
> equipment from St. Louis Car and a lot of power line hardware from St. Louis
> Malleable.
>
> St. Louis Car Company and St. Louis Malleable were located near each other
> in what was once Baden, an area which was annexed by the City of St. Louis.
>
> My question is...........were there any corporate ties between TMER&L or
> North American with either of these St. Louis based companies?
>
> Thanks for any replies.
>
> K.
>
>
>


From x779 at webtv.net  Sat Oct 10 17:06:43 2009
From: x779 at webtv.net (LouRugani)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 21:06:43 -0000
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Time for an RTA, advocates say. (Racine Journal-Times)
Message-ID: <haqt13+it1v@eGroups.com>

--- In Rails-of-Milwaukee at yahoogroups.com, "LouRugani" <x779 at ...> wrote:


RACINE - Bernie Hoff, 59, of Racine, said she and her family enjoyed the
comforts of commuter rail when they were living in a Chicago suburb 24
years ago before they moved to Racine.

"We saw commuter rail is such an asset to the area," said Hoff, who was
at a transit forum Wednesday night. "We can't understand why they don't
have it here."

More than 130 people attended the community forum "Tapping into Transit
as a Game-Changer" Wednesday night at the DeKoven Center, 600 21st St.
The forum, hosted by Racine Transit Task Force and Transit NOW,
highlighted the benefits of public transit and specifics of the
Kenosha-Racine-Milwaukee commuter rail project. The Task Force is a
group working to improve transit for Racine.

Different community leaders appealed on the behalf of the community,
businesses, labor unions and students for a public transit system.

Mayor John Dickert, one of the speakers, stressed the importance for
interconnectivity of commuter rail, high-speed rail and buses to work
together to move Racine forward. He addressed concerns about how much
the commuter rail project would cost and pointed out putting in another
lane in I-94 is costing $1 billion.

"We can keep putting lanes in I-94 or we can look at regional transit
that provides ease of movement for people and opportunities for
everyone," Dickert said, adding commuter rail would not only bring in
infrastructure but also take people off highways, reducing congestion.

Kerry Thomas, executive director of Transit NOW, said a public transit
system would link people with jobs, spur development and economic growth
and enhance quality of life. Transit NOW is a nonprofit organization
focusing on transportation related issues and impact in southeastern
Wisconsin.

She said the transit system linking Milwaukee and Racine to the
Kenosha-Chicago rail would create nearly 4,000 construction jobs for the
KRM commuter rail, support and create about 71,000 jobs near train
stations and ultimately provide access to one million jobs within a mile
of the corridor.

"It would link Racine to a marketplace of about two million people,"
Thomas said. "They would have access to Downtown Racine that they don't
have right now and it would generate a lot of tourism dollars."

Ken Yunker, executive director of the Southeastern Wisconsin Regional
Planning Commission, estimated commuter rail would cut travel time from
Downtown Milwaukee to Downtown Kenosha by about half an hour or more, as
compared to riding a bus.

Advocates also talked about the additional cultural and entertainment
venues that would be available for Racine residents.

Hoff agreed. She said her family, before they moved, used to take the
train to the museums in downtown Chicago and would not worry about
traffic.

Her husband, Doug, said he liked the accessibility the public transit
system would provide.

"It would widen your horizons without feeling like having to move," he
said.

For those looking for jobs and the commuters, the train would be an easy
daily solution, though he added they would need to make sure there are
parking spots available around train stations.

The Southeastern Regional Transit Authority was formed during the last
budget session to oversee the KRM commuter rail project and manage its
operations and costs. In September Gov. Jim Doyle laid out a framework
for how to integrate buses and commuter rail. A comprehensive regional
transit bill is expected to be introduced in the Legislature soon.

--- End forwarded message ---





From x779 at webtv.net  Sat Oct 10 17:15:40 2009
From: x779 at webtv.net (LouRugani)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 21:15:40 -0000
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Fwd:  Milwaukee Streetcar t-shirts announced:
Message-ID: <haqths+o6no@eGroups.com>

http://store.urbanmilwaukee.com/t-shirts/milwaukee-streetcar-t-shirt.html





From lallan45 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 18 01:34:38 2009
From: lallan45 at gmail.com (Larry Allan)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 00:34:38 -0500
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Photos of Devil's Teapot Washout 1917
In-Reply-To: <bdfe68d40909181321n3bf07b5o168439b1b9ea1412@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bdfe68d40909181321n3bf07b5o168439b1b9ea1412@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bdfe68d40910172234y7ea54b3eo12c0d98ad318538@mail.gmail.com>

Attached are the photos,enjoy.
On 9/18/09, Larry Allan <lallan45 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Regarding Don's request of photographs of the washout. I did a little
> checking and found 20 photos are available for viewing or digital
> copies at $10 each. These images are not in the on line database. I
> will try to get to the Milwaukee Public Central Library next week and
> view them. I will buy a few images and post them. It will take about a
> week for them to scan.
> The photos may be viewed in the Frank P. Zeidler Humanities Room of
> the Central Library; for an appointment or additional information
> please call 414 286-3061. The photos are filed in the Accident Index
> Listing - Interurban Devil's Teapot Washout- Spring 1917.
>


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From lallan45 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 18 15:11:40 2009
From: lallan45 at gmail.com (Larry Allan)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 14:11:40 -0500
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Devil's Teapot photo update
Message-ID: <bdfe68d40910181211l53d2b069ke8cbada401daefa2@mail.gmail.com>

Ten photos are attached.

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From ktjosephson at embarqmail.com  Sun Oct 18 16:04:09 2009
From: ktjosephson at embarqmail.com (Ken and Tracie)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 13:04:09 -0700
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Devil's Teapot photo update
References: <bdfe68d40910181211l53d2b069ke8cbada401daefa2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2FC8F7D824F04DB3924D05B76A0A2D07@KTJosephson>

Thanks, Larry.
I suppose hindsight is 20/20, but  I believe TM should have given up and 
made the bypass trackage to the south the permanent main line.....or built a 
side of the road section through Muskego for the few blocks to avoid that 
swamp.

I believe it was both arrogance and pride on TM's part to try to maintain 
that mess. Even today, as a bike path, your recent photos show this right of 
way is "jiggley" and sinking.

K. 


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From DLeistikow at webtv.net  Sun Oct 18 16:52:20 2009
From: DLeistikow at webtv.net (Don L. Leistikow)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 15:52:20 -0500
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Devil's Teapot photo update
In-Reply-To: Larry Allan <lallan45@gmail.com>'s message of Sun, 18 Oct 2009
	14:11:40 -0500
Message-ID: <18983-4ADB8004-918@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net>

Larry Allan:   I cannot download any of the photos.   As these are jpg
format, I should have no trouble doing that.  Is there something wrong
with the url's?                 

Don L.    



From sunrise at bikethehoan.com  Sun Oct 18 17:11:54 2009
From: sunrise at bikethehoan.com (William Sell)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 16:11:54 -0500
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Photos of Devil's Teapot Washout
  1917
In-Reply-To: <bdfe68d40910172234y7ea54b3eo12c0d98ad318538@mail.gmail.com
 >
References: <bdfe68d40909181321n3bf07b5o168439b1b9ea1412@mail.gmail.com>
 <bdfe68d40910172234y7ea54b3eo12c0d98ad318538@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4adb8476.151bf30a.22a9.ffffaf6c@mx.google.com>

These photos on : 
http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric  are fascinating. 
Who owns them? I would like permission from the owner(s) to post them 
on Flickr where I have an account. I would make a separate Flickr 
album(s) for these sets, and give full credit to the owner(s).

My flickr account is at:  http://www.flickr.com/photos/socrateschildren/sets/
I believe all or most of my albums sets are open for public view. 
Which is how I would handle these heirloom electric railway photos - 
public view.

If anyone can write a description of any photos, I will give access 
to the Flickr album to do so.


Can anyone advise me?

Bill Sell

PS by the way, I have a personal interest in a photo of the Hales 
Corners Rapid Transit station, close to childhood home, but have not 
found a single one anywhere



At 12:34 AM 10/18/2009, Larry Allan wrote:
>Attached are the photos,enjoy.
>On 9/18/09, Larry Allan <lallan45 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Regarding Don's request of photographs of the washout. I did a little
> > checking and found 20 photos are available for viewing or digital
> > copies at $10 each. These images are not in the on line database. I
> > will try to get to the Milwaukee Public Central Library next week and
> > view them. I will buy a few images and post them. It will take about a
> > week for them to scan.
> > The photos may be viewed in the Frank P. Zeidler Humanities Room of
> > the Central Library; for an appointment or additional information
> > please call 414 286-3061. The photos are filed in the Accident Index
> > Listing - Interurban Devil's Teapot Washout- Spring 1917.
> >
>
>
>-- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
>-- Type: image/jpeg
>-- Size: 69k (70758 bytes)
>-- URL : 
>http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/Devil[1].s.Teapot.001.jpg
>
>
>-- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
>-- Type: image/jpeg
>-- Size: 60k (61828 bytes)
>-- URL : 
>http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/Devil[1].s.Teapot.002.jpg
>
>
>-- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
>-- Type: image/jpeg
>-- Size: 60k (61579 bytes)
>-- URL : 
>http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/Devil[1].s.Teapot.003.jpg
>
>
>-- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
>-- Type: image/jpeg
>-- Size: 62k (64359 bytes)
>-- URL : 
>http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/Devil[1].s.Teapot.004.jpg
>
>
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>-- Size: 66k (68213 bytes)
>-- URL : 
>http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/Devil[1].s.Teapot.005.jpg
>
>
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>-- Type: image/jpeg
>-- Size: 74k (76544 bytes)
>-- URL : 
>http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/Devil[1].s.Teapot.006.jpg
>
>
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>-- Size: 63k (64544 bytes)
>-- URL : 
>http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/Devil[1].s.Teapot.007.jpg
>
>
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>-- Type: image/jpeg
>-- Size: 60k (61919 bytes)
>-- URL : 
>http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/Devil[1].s.Teapot.008.jpg
>
>
>-- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
>-- Type: image/jpeg
>-- Size: 56k (57753 bytes)
>-- URL : 
>http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/Devil[1].s.Teapot.009.jpg
>
>
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>-- Type: image/jpeg
>-- Size: 63k (65311 bytes)
>-- URL : 
>http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/Devil[1].s.Teapot.010.jpg

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^.
"Let us put our minds together, and see what life we will make for 
our children." ---Tatanka-Iyotanka (Sitting Bull)  --- Hunkpapa Lakota chief  



From ktjosephson at embarqmail.com  Sun Oct 18 17:15:43 2009
From: ktjosephson at embarqmail.com (Ken and Tracie)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 14:15:43 -0700
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Photos of Devil's Teapot Washout  1917
References: <bdfe68d40909181321n3bf07b5o168439b1b9ea1412@mail.gmail.com> <bdfe68d40910172234y7ea54b3eo12c0d98ad318538@mail.gmail.com> <4adb8476.151bf30a.22a9.ffffaf6c@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <6856C8FCE3C245599981AAEA5A93D811@KTJosephson>

You would need permission from the Milwaukee Public Library to post them.

The two recent pictures were taken by Mr. Allan, so you would need his 
permission.

K.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Sell" <sunrise at bikethehoan.com>
To: <milwaukee-electric at lists.dementia.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 2:11 PM
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Photos of Devil's Teapot Washout 1917


> These photos on :
> http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric  are fascinating.
> Who owns them? I would like permission from the owner(s) to post them
> on Flickr where I have an account. I would make a separate Flickr
> album(s) for these sets, and give full credit to the owner(s).
>
> My flickr account is at: 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/socrateschildren/sets/
> I believe all or most of my albums sets are open for public view.
> Which is how I would handle these heirloom electric railway photos -
> public view.
>
> If anyone can write a description of any photos, I will give access
> to the Flickr album to do so.
>
>
> Can anyone advise me?
>
> Bill Sell
>
> PS by the way, I have a personal interest in a photo of the Hales
> Corners Rapid Transit station, close to childhood home, but have not
> found a single one anywhere
>
>
>
> At 12:34 AM 10/18/2009, Larry Allan wrote:
>>Attached are the photos,enjoy.
>>On 9/18/09, Larry Allan <lallan45 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Regarding Don's request of photographs of the washout. I did a little
>> > checking and found 20 photos are available for viewing or digital
>> > copies at $10 each. These images are not in the on line database. I
>> > will try to get to the Milwaukee Public Central Library next week and
>> > view them. I will buy a few images and post them. It will take about a
>> > week for them to scan.
>> > The photos may be viewed in the Frank P. Zeidler Humanities Room of
>> > the Central Library; for an appointment or additional information
>> > please call 414 286-3061. The photos are filed in the Accident Index
>> > Listing - Interurban Devil's Teapot Washout- Spring 1917.
>> >
>>
>>
>>-- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
>>-- Type: image/jpeg
>>-- Size: 69k (70758 bytes)
>>-- URL :
>>http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/Devil[1].s.Teapot.001.jpg
>>
>>
>>-- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
>>-- Type: image/jpeg
>>-- Size: 60k (61828 bytes)
>>-- URL :
>>http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/Devil[1].s.Teapot.002.jpg
>>
>>
>>-- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
>>-- Type: image/jpeg
>>-- Size: 60k (61579 bytes)
>>-- URL :
>>http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/Devil[1].s.Teapot.003.jpg
>>
>>
>>-- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
>>-- Type: image/jpeg
>>-- Size: 62k (64359 bytes)
>>-- URL :
>>http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/Devil[1].s.Teapot.004.jpg
>>
>>
>>-- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
>>-- Type: image/jpeg
>>-- Size: 66k (68213 bytes)
>>-- URL :
>>http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/Devil[1].s.Teapot.005.jpg
>>
>>
>>-- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
>>-- Type: image/jpeg
>>-- Size: 74k (76544 bytes)
>>-- URL :
>>http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/Devil[1].s.Teapot.006.jpg
>>
>>
>>-- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
>>-- Type: image/jpeg
>>-- Size: 63k (64544 bytes)
>>-- URL :
>>http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/Devil[1].s.Teapot.007.jpg
>>
>>
>>-- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
>>-- Type: image/jpeg
>>-- Size: 60k (61919 bytes)
>>-- URL :
>>http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/Devil[1].s.Teapot.008.jpg
>>
>>
>>-- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
>>-- Type: image/jpeg
>>-- Size: 56k (57753 bytes)
>>-- URL :
>>http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/Devil[1].s.Teapot.009.jpg
>>
>>
>>-- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
>>-- Type: image/jpeg
>>-- Size: 63k (65311 bytes)
>>-- URL :
>>http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/Devil[1].s.Teapot.010.jpg
>
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^.
> "Let us put our minds together, and see what life we will make for
> our children." ---Tatanka-Iyotanka (Sitting Bull)  --- Hunkpapa Lakota 
> chief
>
> 



From ktjosephson at embarqmail.com  Sun Oct 18 17:41:03 2009
From: ktjosephson at embarqmail.com (Ken and Tracie)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 14:41:03 -0700
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Photos of Devil's Teapot Washout  1917
References: <bdfe68d40909181321n3bf07b5o168439b1b9ea1412@mail.gmail.com> <bdfe68d40910172234y7ea54b3eo12c0d98ad318538@mail.gmail.com> <4adb8476.151bf30a.22a9.ffffaf6c@mx.google.com> <6856C8FCE3C245599981AAEA5A93D811@KTJosephson>
Message-ID: <0E79ADC3D8EE4CC9868CD732479CDD86@KTJosephson>

Bill, I like that e-mail address. A friend of mine was busted by the police 
before the Hoan bridge opened to traffic. He was on top of one of the 
arches, taking photos of the Menomonee River Valley.

K.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken and Tracie" <ktjosephson at embarqmail.com>
To: <milwaukee-electric at lists.dementia.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 2:15 PM
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Photos of Devil's Teapot Washout 1917


> You would need permission from the Milwaukee Public Library to post them.
>
> The two recent pictures were taken by Mr. Allan, so you would need his
> permission.
>
> K.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "William Sell" <sunrise at bikethehoan.com>
> To: <milwaukee-electric at lists.dementia.org>
> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 2:11 PM
> Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Photos of Devil's Teapot Washout 1917
>
>
>> These photos on :
>> http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric  are fascinating.
>> Who owns them? I would like permission from the owner(s) to post them
>> on Flickr where I have an account. I would make a separate Flickr
>> album(s) for these sets, and give full credit to the owner(s).
>>
>> My flickr account is at:
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/socrateschildren/sets/
>> I believe all or most of my albums sets are open for public view.
>> Which is how I would handle these heirloom electric railway photos -
>> public view.
>>
>> If anyone can write a description of any photos, I will give access
>> to the Flickr album to do so.
>>
>>
>> Can anyone advise me?
>>
>> Bill Sell
>>
>> PS by the way, I have a personal interest in a photo of the Hales
>> Corners Rapid Transit station, close to childhood home, but have not
>> found a single one anywhere
>>
>>
>>
>> At 12:34 AM 10/18/2009, Larry Allan wrote:
>>>Attached are the photos,enjoy.
>>>On 9/18/09, Larry Allan <lallan45 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > Regarding Don's request of photographs of the washout. I did a little
>>> > checking and found 20 photos are available for viewing or digital
>>> > copies at $10 each. These images are not in the on line database. I
>>> > will try to get to the Milwaukee Public Central Library next week and
>>> > view them. I will buy a few images and post them. It will take about a
>>> > week for them to scan.
>>> > The photos may be viewed in the Frank P. Zeidler Humanities Room of
>>> > the Central Library; for an appointment or additional information
>>> > please call 414 286-3061. The photos are filed in the Accident Index
>>> > Listing - Interurban Devil's Teapot Washout- Spring 1917.
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>-- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
>>>-- Type: image/jpeg
>>>-- Size: 69k (70758 bytes)
>>>-- URL :
>>>http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/Devil[1].s.Teapot.001.jpg
>>>
>>>
>>>-- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
>>>-- Type: image/jpeg
>>>-- Size: 60k (61828 bytes)
>>>-- URL :
>>>http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/Devil[1].s.Teapot.002.jpg
>>>
>>>
>>>-- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
>>>-- Type: image/jpeg
>>>-- Size: 60k (61579 bytes)
>>>-- URL :
>>>http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/Devil[1].s.Teapot.003.jpg
>>>
>>>
>>>-- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
>>>-- Type: image/jpeg
>>>-- Size: 62k (64359 bytes)
>>>-- URL :
>>>http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/Devil[1].s.Teapot.004.jpg
>>>
>>>
>>>-- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
>>>-- Type: image/jpeg
>>>-- Size: 66k (68213 bytes)
>>>-- URL :
>>>http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/Devil[1].s.Teapot.005.jpg
>>>
>>>
>>>-- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
>>>-- Type: image/jpeg
>>>-- Size: 74k (76544 bytes)
>>>-- URL :
>>>http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/Devil[1].s.Teapot.006.jpg
>>>
>>>
>>>-- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
>>>-- Type: image/jpeg
>>>-- Size: 63k (64544 bytes)
>>>-- URL :
>>>http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/Devil[1].s.Teapot.007.jpg
>>>
>>>
>>>-- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
>>>-- Type: image/jpeg
>>>-- Size: 60k (61919 bytes)
>>>-- URL :
>>>http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/Devil[1].s.Teapot.008.jpg
>>>
>>>
>>>-- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
>>>-- Type: image/jpeg
>>>-- Size: 56k (57753 bytes)
>>>-- URL :
>>>http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/Devil[1].s.Teapot.009.jpg
>>>
>>>
>>>-- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
>>>-- Type: image/jpeg
>>>-- Size: 63k (65311 bytes)
>>>-- URL :
>>>http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/Devil[1].s.Teapot.010.jpg
>>
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^.
>> "Let us put our minds together, and see what life we will make for
>> our children." ---Tatanka-Iyotanka (Sitting Bull)  --- Hunkpapa Lakota
>> chief
>>
>>
>
> 



From sunrise at bikethehoan.com  Sun Oct 18 17:46:53 2009
From: sunrise at bikethehoan.com (William Sell)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 16:46:53 -0500
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Photos of Devil's Teapot Washout 
  1917
In-Reply-To: <0E79ADC3D8EE4CC9868CD732479CDD86@KTJosephson>
References: <bdfe68d40909181321n3bf07b5o168439b1b9ea1412@mail.gmail.com>
 <bdfe68d40910172234y7ea54b3eo12c0d98ad318538@mail.gmail.com>
 <4adb8476.151bf30a.22a9.ffffaf6c@mx.google.com>
 <6856C8FCE3C245599981AAEA5A93D811@KTJosephson>
 <0E79ADC3D8EE4CC9868CD732479CDD86@KTJosephson>
Message-ID: <4adb8ca8.9713f30a.626e.4c27@mx.google.com>

K

I would love to see those photos and post them on www.bikethehoan.com
Let him know there IS an audience for a prank like that. this is 
crazy but exhilarating

wow
Bill





At 04:41 PM 10/18/2009, you wrote:
>Bill, I like that e-mail address. A friend of mine was busted by the police
>before the Hoan bridge opened to traffic. He was on top of one of the
>arches, taking photos of the Menomonee River Valley.
>
>K.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ken and Tracie" <ktjosephson at embarqmail.com>
>To: <milwaukee-electric at lists.dementia.org>
>Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 2:15 PM
>Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Photos of Devil's Teapot Washout 1917
>
>
> > You would need permission from the Milwaukee Public Library to post them.
> >
> > The two recent pictures were taken by Mr. Allan, so you would need his
> > permission.
> >
> > K.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "William Sell" <sunrise at bikethehoan.com>
> > To: <milwaukee-electric at lists.dementia.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 2:11 PM
> > Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Photos of Devil's Teapot Washout 1917
> >
> >
> >> These photos on :
> >> http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric are fascinating.
> >> Who owns them? I would like permission from the owner(s) to post them
> >> on Flickr where I have an account. I would make a separate Flickr
> >> album(s) for these sets, and give full credit to the owner(s).
> >>
> >> My flickr account is at:
> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/socrateschildren/sets/
> >> I believe all or most of my albums sets are open for public view.
> >> Which is how I would handle these heirloom electric railway photos -
> >> public view.
> >>
> >> If anyone can write a description of any photos, I will give access
> >> to the Flickr album to do so.
> >>
> >>
> >> Can anyone advise me?
> >>
> >> Bill Sell
> >>
> >> PS by the way, I have a personal interest in a photo of the Hales
> >> Corners Rapid Transit station, close to childhood home, but have not
> >> found a single one anywhere
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> At 12:34 AM 10/18/2009, Larry Allan wrote:
> >>>Attached are the photos,enjoy.
> >>>On 9/18/09, Larry Allan <lallan45 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> > Regarding Don's request of photographs of the washout. I did a little
> >>> > checking and found 20 photos are available for viewing or digital
> >>> > copies at $10 each. These images are not in the on line database. I
> >>> > will try to get to the Milwaukee Public Central Library next week and
> >>> > view them. I will buy a few images and post them. It will take about a
> >>> > week for them to scan.
> >>> > The photos may be viewed in the Frank P. Zeidler Humanities Room of
> >>> > the Central Library; for an appointment or additional information
> >>> > please call 414 286-3061. The photos are filed in the Accident Index
> >>> > Listing - Interurban Devil's Teapot Washout- Spring 1917.
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>-- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
> >>>-- Type: image/jpeg
> >>>-- Size: 69k (70758 bytes)
> >>>-- URL :
> >>>http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/Devil[1].s.Tea 
> pot.001.jpg
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>-- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
> >>>-- Type: image/jpeg
> >>>-- Size: 60k (61828 bytes)
> >>>-- URL :
> >>>http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/Devil[1].s.Tea 
> pot.002.jpg
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>-- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
> >>>-- Type: image/jpeg
> >>>-- Size: 60k (61579 bytes)
> >>>-- URL :
> >>>http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/Devil[1].s.Tea 
> pot.003.jpg
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>-- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
> >>>-- Type: image/jpeg
> >>>-- Size: 62k (64359 bytes)
> >>>-- URL :
> >>>http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/Devil[1].s.Tea 
> pot.004.jpg
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>-- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
> >>>-- Type: image/jpeg
> >>>-- Size: 66k (68213 bytes)
> >>>-- URL :
> >>>http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/Devil[1].s.Tea 
> pot.005.jpg
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>-- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
> >>>-- Type: image/jpeg
> >>>-- Size: 74k (76544 bytes)
> >>>-- URL :
> >>>http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/Devil[1].s.Tea 
> pot.006.jpg
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>-- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
> >>>-- Type: image/jpeg
> >>>-- Size: 63k (64544 bytes)
> >>>-- URL :
> >>>http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/Devil[1].s.Tea 
> pot.007.jpg
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>-- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
> >>>-- Type: image/jpeg
> >>>-- Size: 60k (61919 bytes)
> >>>-- URL :
> >>>http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/Devil[1].s.Tea 
> pot.008.jpg
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>-- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
> >>>-- Type: image/jpeg
> >>>-- Size: 56k (57753 bytes)
> >>>-- URL :
> >>>http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/Devil[1].s.Tea 
> pot.009.jpg
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>-- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
> >>>-- Type: image/jpeg
> >>>-- Size: 63k (65311 bytes)
> >>>-- URL :
> >>>http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/Devil[1].s.Tea 
> pot.010.jpg
> >>
> >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^.
> >> "Let us put our minds together, and see what life we will make for
> >> our children." ---Tatanka-Iyotanka (Sitting Bull)  --- Hunkpapa Lakota
> >> chief
> >>
> >>
> >
> >

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^.
"Let us put our minds together, and see what life we will make for 
our children." ---Tatanka-Iyotanka (Sitting Bull) --- Hunkpapa Lakota chief  



From sunrise at bikethehoan.com  Sun Oct 18 17:44:37 2009
From: sunrise at bikethehoan.com (William Sell)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 16:44:37 -0500
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Devil's Teapot photo update
In-Reply-To: <18983-4ADB8004-918@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net>
References: <Larry Allan <lallan45@gmail.com>
 <18983-4ADB8004-918@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <4adb8cb5.9613f30a.5d7c.577d@mx.google.com>

not here, I was able to view all of them
Bill



At 03:52 PM 10/18/2009, you wrote:
>Larry Allan:   I cannot download any of the photos.   As these are jpg
>format, I should have no trouble doing that.  Is there something wrong
>with the url's?
>
>Don L.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^.
"Let us put our minds together, and see what life we will make for 
our children." ---Tatanka-Iyotanka (Sitting Bull)  --- Hunkpapa Lakota chief  



From sunrise at bikethehoan.com  Sun Oct 18 17:45:08 2009
From: sunrise at bikethehoan.com (William Sell)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 16:45:08 -0500
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Photos of Devil's Teapot Washout 
  1917
In-Reply-To: <6856C8FCE3C245599981AAEA5A93D811@KTJosephson>
References: <bdfe68d40909181321n3bf07b5o168439b1b9ea1412@mail.gmail.com>
 <bdfe68d40910172234y7ea54b3eo12c0d98ad318538@mail.gmail.com>
 <4adb8476.151bf30a.22a9.ffffaf6c@mx.google.com>
 <6856C8FCE3C245599981AAEA5A93D811@KTJosephson>
Message-ID: <4adb8cb8.9613f30a.5d7c.577e@mx.google.com>

Thanks, K
I will look into that
Bill






At 04:15 PM 10/18/2009, you wrote:
>You would need permission from the Milwaukee Public Library to post them.
>
>The two recent pictures were taken by Mr. Allan, so you would need his
>permission.
>
>K.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "William Sell" <sunrise at bikethehoan.com>
>To: <milwaukee-electric at lists.dementia.org>
>Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 2:11 PM
>Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Photos of Devil's Teapot Washout 1917
>
>
> > These photos on :
> > http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric  are fascinating.
> > Who owns them? I would like permission from the owner(s) to post them
> > on Flickr where I have an account. I would make a separate Flickr
> > album(s) for these sets, and give full credit to the owner(s).
> >
> > My flickr account is at:
> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/socrateschildren/sets/
> > I believe all or most of my albums sets are open for public view.
> > Which is how I would handle these heirloom electric railway photos -
> > public view.
> >
> > If anyone can write a description of any photos, I will give access
> > to the Flickr album to do so.
> >
> >
> > Can anyone advise me?
> >
> > Bill Sell
> >
> > PS by the way, I have a personal interest in a photo of the Hales
> > Corners Rapid Transit station, close to childhood home, but have not
> > found a single one anywhere
> >
> >
> >
> > At 12:34 AM 10/18/2009, Larry Allan wrote:
> >>Attached are the photos,enjoy.
> >>On 9/18/09, Larry Allan <lallan45 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Regarding Don's request of photographs of the washout. I did a little
> >> > checking and found 20 photos are available for viewing or digital
> >> > copies at $10 each. These images are not in the on line database. I
> >> > will try to get to the Milwaukee Public Central Library next week and
> >> > view them. I will buy a few images and post them. It will take about a
> >> > week for them to scan.
> >> > The photos may be viewed in the Frank P. Zeidler Humanities Room of
> >> > the Central Library; for an appointment or additional information
> >> > please call 414 286-3061. The photos are filed in the Accident Index
> >> > Listing - Interurban Devil's Teapot Washout- Spring 1917.
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>-- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
> >>-- Type: image/jpeg
> >>-- Size: 69k (70758 bytes)
> >>-- URL :
> >>http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/Devil[1].s.Teap 
> ot.001.jpg
> >>
> >>
> >>-- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
> >>-- Type: image/jpeg
> >>-- Size: 60k (61828 bytes)
> >>-- URL :
> >>http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/Devil[1].s.Teap 
> ot.002.jpg
> >>
> >>
> >>-- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
> >>-- Type: image/jpeg
> >>-- Size: 60k (61579 bytes)
> >>-- URL :
> >>http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/Devil[1].s.Teap 
> ot.003.jpg
> >>
> >>
> >>-- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
> >>-- Type: image/jpeg
> >>-- Size: 62k (64359 bytes)
> >>-- URL :
> >>http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/Devil[1].s.Teap 
> ot.004.jpg
> >>
> >>
> >>-- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
> >>-- Type: image/jpeg
> >>-- Size: 66k (68213 bytes)
> >>-- URL :
> >>http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/Devil[1].s.Teap 
> ot.005.jpg
> >>
> >>
> >>-- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
> >>-- Type: image/jpeg
> >>-- Size: 74k (76544 bytes)
> >>-- URL :
> >>http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/Devil[1].s.Teap 
> ot.006.jpg
> >>
> >>
> >>-- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
> >>-- Type: image/jpeg
> >>-- Size: 63k (64544 bytes)
> >>-- URL :
> >>http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/Devil[1].s.Teap 
> ot.007.jpg
> >>
> >>
> >>-- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
> >>-- Type: image/jpeg
> >>-- Size: 60k (61919 bytes)
> >>-- URL :
> >>http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/Devil[1].s.Teap 
> ot.008.jpg
> >>
> >>
> >>-- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
> >>-- Type: image/jpeg
> >>-- Size: 56k (57753 bytes)
> >>-- URL :
> >>http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/Devil[1].s.Teap 
> ot.009.jpg
> >>
> >>
> >>-- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
> >>-- Type: image/jpeg
> >>-- Size: 63k (65311 bytes)
> >>-- URL :
> >>http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/Devil[1].s.Teap 
> ot.010.jpg
> >
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^.
> > "Let us put our minds together, and see what life we will make for
> > our children." ---Tatanka-Iyotanka (Sitting Bull)  --- Hunkpapa Lakota
> > chief
> >
> >

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^.
"Let us put our minds together, and see what life we will make for 
our children." ---Tatanka-Iyotanka (Sitting Bull)  --- Hunkpapa Lakota chief  



From ktjosephson at embarqmail.com  Sun Oct 18 18:00:17 2009
From: ktjosephson at embarqmail.com (Ken and Tracie)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 15:00:17 -0700
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Photos of Devil's Teapot Washout   1917
References: <bdfe68d40909181321n3bf07b5o168439b1b9ea1412@mail.gmail.com> <bdfe68d40910172234y7ea54b3eo12c0d98ad318538@mail.gmail.com> <4adb8476.151bf30a.22a9.ffffaf6c@mx.google.com> <6856C8FCE3C245599981AAEA5A93D811@KTJosephson> <0E79ADC3D8EE4CC9868CD732479CDD86@KTJosephson> <4adb8ca8.9713f30a.626e.4c27@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <673206931C2F41B999A694DE338769BC@KTJosephson>

Bob was bummed out because he wanted to come back, climb the east arch and
take a filtered photo of the sun rising out of the lake. The officer went
easy on him but told him he would be taken to jail the next time.

He also has photos from circa 1972 of the Rapid Transit right of way, taken
from the Wauwatosa water tower. He attended Wisconsin Lutheran High School.

I'll try to call him and see if he still has the slides. He works for the
CSX and lives in Maryland these days.

K.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Sell" <sunrise at bikethehoan.com>
To: <milwaukee-electric at lists.dementia.org>
Cc: <ktjosephson at embarqmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Photos of Devil's Teapot Washout 1917


> K
>
> I would love to see those photos and post them on www.bikethehoan.com
> Let him know there IS an audience for a prank like that. this is crazy but 
> exhilarating
>
> wow
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>
> At 04:41 PM 10/18/2009, you wrote:
>>Bill, I like that e-mail address. A friend of mine was busted by the 
>>police
>>before the Hoan bridge opened to traffic. He was on top of one of the
>>arches, taking photos of the Menomonee River Valley.
>>
>>K.
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Ken and Tracie" <ktjosephson at embarqmail.com>
>>To: <milwaukee-electric at lists.dementia.org>
>>Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 2:15 PM
>>Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Photos of Devil's Teapot Washout 1917
>>
>>
>> > You would need permission from the Milwaukee Public Library to post 
>> > them.
>> >
>> > The two recent pictures were taken by Mr. Allan, so you would need his
>> > permission.
>> >
>> > K.
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "William Sell" <sunrise at bikethehoan.com>
>> > To: <milwaukee-electric at lists.dementia.org>
>> > Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 2:11 PM
>> > Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Photos of Devil's Teapot Washout 1917
>> >
>> >
>> >> These photos on :
>> >> http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric are fascinating.
>> >> Who owns them? I would like permission from the owner(s) to post them
>> >> on Flickr where I have an account. I would make a separate Flickr
>> >> album(s) for these sets, and give full credit to the owner(s).
>> >>
>> >> My flickr account is at:
>> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/socrateschildren/sets/
>> >> I believe all or most of my albums sets are open for public view.
>> >> Which is how I would handle these heirloom electric railway photos -
>> >> public view.
>> >>
>> >> If anyone can write a description of any photos, I will give access
>> >> to the Flickr album to do so.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Can anyone advise me?
>> >>
>> >> Bill Sell
>> >>
>> >> PS by the way, I have a personal interest in a photo of the Hales
>> >> Corners Rapid Transit station, close to childhood home, but have not
>> >> found a single one anywhere
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> At 12:34 AM 10/18/2009, Larry Allan wrote:
>> >>>Attached are the photos,enjoy.
>> >>>On 9/18/09, Larry Allan <lallan45 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> > Regarding Don's request of photographs of the washout. I did a 
>> >>> > little
>> >>> > checking and found 20 photos are available for viewing or digital
>> >>> > copies at $10 each. These images are not in the on line database. I
>> >>> > will try to get to the Milwaukee Public Central Library next week 
>> >>> > and
>> >>> > view them. I will buy a few images and post them. It will take 
>> >>> > about a
>> >>> > week for them to scan.
>> >>> > The photos may be viewed in the Frank P. Zeidler Humanities Room of
>> >>> > the Central Library; for an appointment or additional information
>> >>> > please call 414 286-3061. The photos are filed in the Accident 
>> >>> > Index
>> >>> > Listing - Interurban Devil's Teapot Washout- Spring 1917.
>> >>> >
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>-- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
>> >>>-- Type: image/jpeg
>> >>>-- Size: 69k (70758 bytes)
>> >>>-- URL :
>> >>>http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/Devil[1].s.Tea
>> pot.001.jpg
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>-- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
>> >>>-- Type: image/jpeg
>> >>>-- Size: 60k (61828 bytes)
>> >>>-- URL :
>> >>>http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/Devil[1].s.Tea
>> pot.002.jpg
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>-- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
>> >>>-- Type: image/jpeg
>> >>>-- Size: 60k (61579 bytes)
>> >>>-- URL :
>> >>>http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/Devil[1].s.Tea
>> pot.003.jpg
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>-- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
>> >>>-- Type: image/jpeg
>> >>>-- Size: 62k (64359 bytes)
>> >>>-- URL :
>> >>>http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/Devil[1].s.Tea
>> pot.004.jpg
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>-- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
>> >>>-- Type: image/jpeg
>> >>>-- Size: 66k (68213 bytes)
>> >>>-- URL :
>> >>>http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/Devil[1].s.Tea
>> pot.005.jpg
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>-- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
>> >>>-- Type: image/jpeg
>> >>>-- Size: 74k (76544 bytes)
>> >>>-- URL :
>> >>>http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/Devil[1].s.Tea
>> pot.006.jpg
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>-- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
>> >>>-- Type: image/jpeg
>> >>>-- Size: 63k (64544 bytes)
>> >>>-- URL :
>> >>>http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/Devil[1].s.Tea
>> pot.007.jpg
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>-- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
>> >>>-- Type: image/jpeg
>> >>>-- Size: 60k (61919 bytes)
>> >>>-- URL :
>> >>>http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/Devil[1].s.Tea
>> pot.008.jpg
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>-- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
>> >>>-- Type: image/jpeg
>> >>>-- Size: 56k (57753 bytes)
>> >>>-- URL :
>> >>>http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/Devil[1].s.Tea
>> pot.009.jpg
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>-- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
>> >>>-- Type: image/jpeg
>> >>>-- Size: 63k (65311 bytes)
>> >>>-- URL :
>> >>>http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/Devil[1].s.Tea
>> pot.010.jpg
>> >>
>> >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^.
>> >> "Let us put our minds together, and see what life we will make for
>> >> our children." ---Tatanka-Iyotanka (Sitting Bull)  --- Hunkpapa Lakota
>> >> chief
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^.
> "Let us put our minds together, and see what life we will make for our 
> children." ---Tatanka-Iyotanka (Sitting Bull) --- Hunkpapa Lakota chief 



From lallan45 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 18 19:45:09 2009
From: lallan45 at gmail.com (Larry Allan)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:45:09 -0500
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Devil's Teapot photo update
In-Reply-To: <4adb8cb5.9613f30a.5d7c.577d@mx.google.com>
References: <lallan45@gmail.com>
	 <18983-4ADB8004-918@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net>
	 <4adb8cb5.9613f30a.5d7c.577d@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <bdfe68d40910181645i48bb1a25te32234a17ac50ca4@mail.gmail.com>

Don,I will check with Ken. Maybe he can send them direct to you.

On 10/18/09, William Sell <sunrise at bikethehoan.com> wrote:
> not here, I was able to view all of them
> Bill
>
>
>
> At 03:52 PM 10/18/2009, you wrote:
>>Larry Allan:   I cannot download any of the photos.   As these are jpg
>>format, I should have no trouble doing that.  Is there something wrong
>>with the url's?
>>
>>Don L.
>
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^.
> "Let us put our minds together, and see what life we will make for
> our children." ---Tatanka-Iyotanka (Sitting Bull)  --- Hunkpapa Lakota chief
>
>
>
>


From ktjosephson at embarqmail.com  Sun Oct 18 19:49:54 2009
From: ktjosephson at embarqmail.com (Ken and Tracie)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 16:49:54 -0700
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Devil's Teapot photo update
References: <lallan45@gmail.com> <18983-4ADB8004-918@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net> <4adb8cb5.9613f30a.5d7c.577d@mx.google.com> <bdfe68d40910181645i48bb1a25te32234a17ac50ca4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0CCADE8DAFAF437FB6E2472A4E985712@KTJosephson>

I already have.

K.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Allan" <lallan45 at gmail.com>
To: <milwaukee-electric at lists.dementia.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 4:45 PM
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Devil's Teapot photo update


> Don,I will check with Ken. Maybe he can send them direct to you.
>
> On 10/18/09, William Sell <sunrise at bikethehoan.com> wrote:
>> not here, I was able to view all of them
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> At 03:52 PM 10/18/2009, you wrote:
>>>Larry Allan:   I cannot download any of the photos.   As these are jpg
>>>format, I should have no trouble doing that.  Is there something wrong
>>>with the url's?
>>>
>>>Don L.
>>
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^.
>> "Let us put our minds together, and see what life we will make for
>> our children." ---Tatanka-Iyotanka (Sitting Bull)  --- Hunkpapa Lakota 
>> chief
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 



From lallan45 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 18 20:01:08 2009
From: lallan45 at gmail.com (Larry Allan)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:01:08 -0500
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Devil's Teapot photo update
In-Reply-To: <0CCADE8DAFAF437FB6E2472A4E985712@KTJosephson>
References: <lallan45@gmail.com>
	 <18983-4ADB8004-918@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net>
	 <4adb8cb5.9613f30a.5d7c.577d@mx.google.com>
	 <bdfe68d40910181645i48bb1a25te32234a17ac50ca4@mail.gmail.com>
	 <0CCADE8DAFAF437FB6E2472A4E985712@KTJosephson>
Message-ID: <bdfe68d40910181701i7111a90ch94b46244b92e671f@mail.gmail.com>

The Dump Cars which are "in the drink"- I wonder if these are the cars
that rolled down during the night?

On 10/18/09, Ken and Tracie <ktjosephson at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> I already have.
>
> K.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Allan" <lallan45 at gmail.com>
> To: <milwaukee-electric at lists.dementia.org>
> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 4:45 PM
> Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Devil's Teapot photo update
>
>
>> Don,I will check with Ken. Maybe he can send them direct to you.
>>
>> On 10/18/09, William Sell <sunrise at bikethehoan.com> wrote:
>>> not here, I was able to view all of them
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At 03:52 PM 10/18/2009, you wrote:
>>>>Larry Allan:   I cannot download any of the photos.   As these are jpg
>>>>format, I should have no trouble doing that.  Is there something wrong
>>>>with the url's?
>>>>
>>>>Don L.
>>>
>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^.
>>> "Let us put our minds together, and see what life we will make for
>>> our children." ---Tatanka-Iyotanka (Sitting Bull)  --- Hunkpapa Lakota
>>> chief
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>


From DLeistikow at webtv.net  Sun Oct 18 20:38:17 2009
From: DLeistikow at webtv.net (Don L. Leistikow)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:38:17 -0500
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Devil's Teapot photo update
In-Reply-To: William Sell <sunrise@bikethehoan.com>'s message of Sun, 18
	Oct 2009 16:44:37 -0500
Message-ID: <18985-4ADBB4F9-868@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net>

Bill S:   Thanks Bill..... I was able to download the photos when Ken J
reposted them.  ..............   Don



From ktjosephson at embarqmail.com  Sun Oct 18 20:40:03 2009
From: ktjosephson at embarqmail.com (Ken and Tracie)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 17:40:03 -0700
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Devil's Teapot photo update
References: <18985-4ADBB4F9-868@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <DDDEDC1BEA34407EB2266F12460A7DBE@KTJosephson>

I just sent them directly to you, Don.

But I am happy it worked.

Does that work car look a pre-enclosed D series line car? If not, what was 
it?

K.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don L. Leistikow" <DLeistikow at webtv.net>
To: <milwaukee-electric at lists.dementia.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 5:38 PM
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Devil's Teapot photo update


> Bill S:   Thanks Bill..... I was able to download the photos when Ken J
> reposted them.  ..............   Don
>
> 



From DLeistikow at webtv.net  Sun Oct 18 21:20:11 2009
From: DLeistikow at webtv.net (Don L. Leistikow)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 20:20:11 -0500
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Devil's Teapot photo update
In-Reply-To: "Ken and Tracie" <ktjosephson@embarqmail.com>'s message of Sun, 18 Oct 2009 17:40:03 -0700
Message-ID: <18994-4ADBBECB-29@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net>

Ken and list:   Back in WW 1 days, TMER&L fielded some really odd
looking work rolling stock.                                     

Historically, they obtained some standard (of the day) flat cars, which
were converted and revised as time wore on.  Obviously, they added a
round end to the square end sill, for the purpose of making these cars
able to acutally train (with flats) through the streets of Milwaukee.
Remember that the Cold Spring Shops was built in 1913 as, KK was no
longer able to keep up with street railway expansion.                                                

KK had been the original heavy duty shop up to that time.  Whereas CSS
was only  connected to the street railway lines and to the CM&StP
railway, the ability to negotiate the system required that all cars be
able go around the 90* corners.            

To view how this was done, find the TMER&L  E 58 flat car which was at
East Troy and is now at IRM, if my information is correct.  Looking
underneath the car ends, you will see how TM applied the round ends and
coupler mountings.  Then again, someone may have photos of this car
laying on its back at East Troy's Phantom Woods yard.   If so, please
post same.                                                       

Now, the photo of a work car at the Devil's Tea Pot, may well have been
one of these RR flat cars that had been motorized with a small cab on
each end.  A careful look at this car impresses me as on of those early
and cheap conversions.  The original square end with poling sockets
seems to be in that photo.  That car would have been an early D series
work motor.                                              

If anyone has a sharp photo image, please enlarge to see if I'm correct
in my conclusion.                                                                                                      

Don                         



From lallan45 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 18 23:38:57 2009
From: lallan45 at gmail.com (Larry Allan)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 22:38:57 -0500
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Devil's Teapot photo update
In-Reply-To: <18994-4ADBBECB-29@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net>
References: <ktjosephson@embarqmail.com>
	 <18994-4ADBBECB-29@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <bdfe68d40910182038w224c8e8ck1cbba674f96d8c67@mail.gmail.com>

Don, Attached is a closer view of the workcar in image 001
On 10/18/09, Don L. Leistikow <DLeistikow at webtv.net> wrote:
> Ken and list:   Back in WW 1 days, TMER&L fielded some really odd
> looking work rolling stock.
>
> Historically, they obtained some standard (of the day) flat cars, which
> were converted and revised as time wore on.  Obviously, they added a
> round end to the square end sill, for the purpose of making these cars
> able to acutally train (with flats) through the streets of Milwaukee.
> Remember that the Cold Spring Shops was built in 1913 as, KK was no
> longer able to keep up with street railway expansion.
>
>
> KK had been the original heavy duty shop up to that time.  Whereas CSS
> was only  connected to the street railway lines and to the CM&StP
> railway, the ability to negotiate the system required that all cars be
> able go around the 90* corners.
>
> To view how this was done, find the TMER&L  E 58 flat car which was at
> East Troy and is now at IRM, if my information is correct.  Looking
> underneath the car ends, you will see how TM applied the round ends and
> coupler mountings.  Then again, someone may have photos of this car
> laying on its back at East Troy's Phantom Woods yard.   If so, please
> post same.
>
> Now, the photo of a work car at the Devil's Tea Pot, may well have been
> one of these RR flat cars that had been motorized with a small cab on
> each end.  A careful look at this car impresses me as on of those early
> and cheap conversions.  The original square end with poling sockets
> seems to be in that photo.  That car would have been an early D series
> work motor.
>
> If anyone has a sharp photo image, please enlarge to see if I'm correct
> in my conclusion.
>
>
> Don
>
>
>


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From lallan45 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 18 23:58:54 2009
From: lallan45 at gmail.com (Larry Allan)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 22:58:54 -0500
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Devil's Teapot photo update
In-Reply-To: <bdfe68d40910182038w224c8e8ck1cbba674f96d8c67@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ktjosephson@embarqmail.com>
	 <18994-4ADBBECB-29@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net>
	 <bdfe68d40910182038w224c8e8ck1cbba674f96d8c67@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bdfe68d40910182058h7a8328d0h12b4b3e4f0ec9c6d@mail.gmail.com>

One more image of entire work car.
On 10/18/09, Larry Allan <lallan45 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Don, Attached is a closer view of the workcar in image 001
>
> On 10/18/09, Don L. Leistikow <DLeistikow at webtv.net> wrote:
>> Ken and list:   Back in WW 1 days, TMER&L fielded some really odd
>> looking work rolling stock.
>>
>> Historically, they obtained some standard (of the day) flat cars, which
>> were converted and revised as time wore on.  Obviously, they added a
>> round end to the square end sill, for the purpose of making these cars
>> able to acutally train (with flats) through the streets of Milwaukee.
>> Remember that the Cold Spring Shops was built in 1913 as, KK was no
>> longer able to keep up with street railway expansion.
>>
>>
>> KK had been the original heavy duty shop up to that time.  Whereas CSS
>> was only  connected to the street railway lines and to the CM&StP
>> railway, the ability to negotiate the system required that all cars be
>> able go around the 90* corners.
>>
>> To view how this was done, find the TMER&L  E 58 flat car which was at
>> East Troy and is now at IRM, if my information is correct.  Looking
>> underneath the car ends, you will see how TM applied the round ends and
>> coupler mountings.  Then again, someone may have photos of this car
>> laying on its back at East Troy's Phantom Woods yard.   If so, please
>> post same.
>>
>> Now, the photo of a work car at the Devil's Tea Pot, may well have been
>> one of these RR flat cars that had been motorized with a small cab on
>> each end.  A careful look at this car impresses me as on of those early
>> and cheap conversions.  The original square end with poling sockets
>> seems to be in that photo.  That car would have been an early D series
>> work motor.
>>
>> If anyone has a sharp photo image, please enlarge to see if I'm correct
>> in my conclusion.
>>
>>
>> Don
>>
>>
>>
>


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From sbgreig_m1 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 19 09:35:43 2009
From: sbgreig_m1 at yahoo.com (Scott Greig)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 06:35:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Devil's Teapot photo update
In-Reply-To: <bdfe68d40910182058h7a8328d0h12b4b3e4f0ec9c6d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <685462.76756.qm@web65511.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Yes, that's one of the D21-D25 series work motors, three of which eventually were re-re-re-rebuilt into fairly handsome line cars.

--- On Sun, 10/18/09, Larry Allan <lallan45 at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Larry Allan <lallan45 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Devil's Teapot photo update
> To: milwaukee-electric at lists.dementia.org
> Date: Sunday, October 18, 2009, 10:58 PM
> One more image of entire work car.
> On 10/18/09, Larry Allan <lallan45 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Don, Attached is a closer view of the workcar in image
> 001
> >
> > On 10/18/09, Don L. Leistikow <DLeistikow at webtv.net>
> wrote:
> >> Ken and list:???Back in WW 1 days,
> TMER&L fielded some really odd
> >> looking work rolling stock.
> >>
> >> Historically, they obtained some standard (of the
> day) flat cars, which
> >> were converted and revised as time wore on.?
> Obviously, they added a
> >> round end to the square end sill, for the purpose
> of making these cars
> >> able to acutally train (with flats) through the
> streets of Milwaukee.
> >> Remember that the Cold Spring Shops was built in
> 1913 as, KK was no
> >> longer able to keep up with street railway
> expansion.
> >>
> >>
> >> KK had been the original heavy duty shop up to
> that time.? Whereas CSS
> >> was only? connected to the street railway
> lines and to the CM&StP
> >> railway, the ability to negotiate the system
> required that all cars be
> >> able go around the 90* corners.
> >>
> >> To view how this was done, find the
> TMER&L? E 58 flat car which was at
> >> East Troy and is now at IRM, if my information is
> correct.? Looking
> >> underneath the car ends, you will see how TM
> applied the round ends and
> >> coupler mountings.? Then again, someone may
> have photos of this car
> >> laying on its back at East Troy's Phantom Woods
> yard.???If so, please
> >> post same.
> >>
> >> Now, the photo of a work car at the Devil's Tea
> Pot, may well have been
> >> one of these RR flat cars that had been motorized
> with a small cab on
> >> each end.? A careful look at this car
> impresses me as on of those early
> >> and cheap conversions.? The original square
> end with poling sockets
> >> seems to be in that photo.? That car would
> have been an early D series
> >> work motor.
> >>
> >> If anyone has a sharp photo image, please enlarge
> to see if I'm correct
> >> in my conclusion.
> >>
> >>
> >> Don
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 



From ktjosephson at embarqmail.com  Tue Oct 20 01:39:16 2009
From: ktjosephson at embarqmail.com (Ken and Tracie)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 22:39:16 -0700
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Our Daughter
References: <685462.76756.qm@web65511.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <092A191168E44236B3D718E240716EF9@KTJosephson>

Our daughter tried on one of Great Grandmother's get-ups. So I put her photo 
on an appropriate background:
 


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From lallan45 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 19:57:41 2009
From: lallan45 at gmail.com (Larry Allan)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:57:41 -0500
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Devil's Teapot photo update
In-Reply-To: <685462.76756.qm@web65511.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <bdfe68d40910182058h7a8328d0h12b4b3e4f0ec9c6d@mail.gmail.com>
	 <685462.76756.qm@web65511.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <bdfe68d40910201657i6619f68ap75b9d8079331b818@mail.gmail.com>

Attached is a close-up of the image Teapot001. The close-up is of the
Front Coupler of the flatcar. Can someone explain the Extensions
purpose that is attached to the coupler. Thanks.
On 10/19/09, Scott Greig <sbgreig_m1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Yes, that's one of the D21-D25 series work motors, three of which eventually
> were re-re-re-rebuilt into fairly handsome line cars.
>
> --- On Sun, 10/18/09, Larry Allan <lallan45 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Larry Allan <lallan45 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Devil's Teapot photo update
>> To: milwaukee-electric at lists.dementia.org
>> Date: Sunday, October 18, 2009, 10:58 PM
>> One more image of entire work car.
>> On 10/18/09, Larry Allan <lallan45 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Don, Attached is a closer view of the workcar in image
>> 001
>> >
>> > On 10/18/09, Don L. Leistikow <DLeistikow at webtv.net>
>> wrote:
>> >> Ken and list:   Back in WW 1 days,
>> TMER&L fielded some really odd
>> >> looking work rolling stock.
>> >>
>> >> Historically, they obtained some standard (of the
>> day) flat cars, which
>> >> were converted and revised as time wore on.
>> Obviously, they added a
>> >> round end to the square end sill, for the purpose
>> of making these cars
>> >> able to acutally train (with flats) through the
>> streets of Milwaukee.
>> >> Remember that the Cold Spring Shops was built in
>> 1913 as, KK was no
>> >> longer able to keep up with street railway
>> expansion.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> KK had been the original heavy duty shop up to
>> that time.  Whereas CSS
>> >> was only  connected to the street railway
>> lines and to the CM&StP
>> >> railway, the ability to negotiate the system
>> required that all cars be
>> >> able go around the 90* corners.
>> >>
>> >> To view how this was done, find the
>> TMER&L  E 58 flat car which was at
>> >> East Troy and is now at IRM, if my information is
>> correct.  Looking
>> >> underneath the car ends, you will see how TM
>> applied the round ends and
>> >> coupler mountings.  Then again, someone may
>> have photos of this car
>> >> laying on its back at East Troy's Phantom Woods
>> yard.   If so, please
>> >> post same.
>> >>
>> >> Now, the photo of a work car at the Devil's Tea
>> Pot, may well have been
>> >> one of these RR flat cars that had been motorized
>> with a small cab on
>> >> each end.  A careful look at this car
>> impresses me as on of those early
>> >> and cheap conversions.  The original square
>> end with poling sockets
>> >> seems to be in that photo.  That car would
>> have been an early D series
>> >> work motor.
>> >>
>> >> If anyone has a sharp photo image, please enlarge
>> to see if I'm correct
>> >> in my conclusion.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Don
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
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From ktjosephson at embarqmail.com  Thu Oct 22 05:20:10 2009
From: ktjosephson at embarqmail.com (Ken and Tracie)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 02:20:10 -0700
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Green Bay 103
References: <18994-4ADBBECB-29@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <0B33B2E414CF45D090A5BB51761ABDED@KTJosephson>

I see Green Bay interurban body #103 was recently scrapped.
Does anybody have the story as to why?

K.


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From x779 at webtv.net  Thu Oct 22 10:46:38 2009
From: x779 at webtv.net (Louis Rugani)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:46:38 GMT
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Green Bay 103
Message-ID: <BAY0-DAV-025DA86CC1E06BB978E6D8798BE0@phx.gbl>

I spoke to an ETER director who said that 103 was badly rotted throughout from its many years of neglect. I recall seeing this wooden car resting directly on the ground at Phantom Woods decades ago and wondering why that was being allowed.
=======
On a positive note, "The Trolley at East Troy" in all its six segments is attracting a lot of viewer interest on YouTube, much more so than it did even at East Troy over the late 1980s-1990s-early 2000s. The ETER through all those 20 years had the rights to sell it, and didn't. 

 


-----Original Message-----
From: Ken and Tracie
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 4:20 AM
To: milwaukee-electric at lists.dementia.org
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Green Bay 103

I see Green Bay interurban body #103 was recently scrapped.
Does anybody have the story as to why?

K.


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From lallan45 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 23 00:06:44 2009
From: lallan45 at gmail.com (Larry Allan)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:06:44 -0500
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Oconomowoc- Exchange Track
Message-ID: <bdfe68d40910222106m6ab1cc89o751f372febfbb857@mail.gmail.com>

I was in Oconomowoc the other day and took a few pictures. Question,
is this the remains of the Exchange Track? Two images attached.
Location of pics is from Concord St. West and East views. The track
has been removed from the street crossing. Also attached is a Track
Map.

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From DLeistikow at webtv.net  Fri Oct 23 03:07:09 2009
From: DLeistikow at webtv.net (Don L. Leistikow)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 02:07:09 -0500
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Oconomowoc- Interchange Track
In-Reply-To: Larry Allan <lallan45@gmail.com>'s message of Thu, 22 Oct 2009
	23:06:44 -0500
Message-ID: <5518-4AE1561D-3302@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net>

Larry A:   Good thinking..... the TM book does show a detail drawing on
page 171.   

Three buildings are shown, belonging to the Carnation Milk Company (Can
Factory, Power House and Milk Factory).  The CMStP&P connection ends at
the east end, west side of Concord Street, with direct and continuing
trackage under wire. 

The interchange track does run southwestward, entering 2nd street where
it parallels the single track TM mainline to a point just east of Park
Street.  At this point, the interchange track enters the TM mailine                                                     

There are two tracks west ending at Park Street.  The north track splits
in two tracks at the west end of the Power House building.  An apparent
loading platform is shown south of the middle track and lies between
this middle track and the south track.  That location is south of the
Can Factory.  So, actually, three tracks stub end at Park Street.  Of
note is that the TM overhead wire ends, on the west side of Concord
Street.                                                      

Unfortunately, the url for the map, doesn't work. Therefore, my
extensive explanation


Don L.