From ktjosephson at embarqmail.com Wed Apr 7 20:55:51 2010 From: ktjosephson at embarqmail.com (Ken and Tracie) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 17:55:51 -0700 Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Fw: [SFMuniHistory] Streetcars in D.C. Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_002_0036_01CAD67B.8FB66FE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fwd: [SFMuniHistory] Streetcars in D.C. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Richard C. DeArmond=20 To: prn-list at sfu.ca=20 Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 10:24 AM Subject: Fwd: [SFMuniHistory] Streetcars in D.C. Overhead trolley wire does not have to be massive and ugly. (As is in = Pittsburgh) It can be almost invisible and with DC's many tree lined = streets it does not have to be a deal killer for having trolley wire in = central DC. From another list:: As I said before the French and Spanish seamed to have mastered the = minimalist philosophy and technology to have quality attractive = overhead. By using this technology to build this type of overhead on the = starter line where overhead is permitted as a "bell cow" it should be = easy to get the law changed to allow this type of trolley overhead to be = used with out allowing utility wire etc to be used. =20 At least with present technology conduit, the Alstroum's switched = center third rail or on board batteries are al much more expensive and = do not work as well as plain old-fashioned simple trolley wire. Alan ------=_NextPart_002_0036_01CAD67B.8FB66FE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fwd: [SFMuniHistory] Streetcars in D.C.
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Richard C. = DeArmond=20
To: prn-list at sfu.ca
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 10:24 AM
Subject: Fwd: [SFMuniHistory] Streetcars in D.C.



Overhead=20 trolley wire does not have to be massive and ugly.  (As is in = Pittsburgh)=20 It can be almost invisible and with DC's many tree lined streets it = does not=20 have to be a deal killer for having trolley wire in central=20 DC.
From another=20 list::
As I said=20 before the French and Spanish seamed to have mastered the minimalist=20 philosophy and technology to have quality attractive overhead. By = using this=20 technology to build this type of overhead on the starter line where = overhead=20 is permitted as a "bell cow" it should be easy to get the law changed = to allow=20 this type of trolley overhead to be used with out allowing utility = wire etc to=20 be used.  

 
At least with=20 present technology conduit, the Alstroum's switched center third rail = or on=20 board batteries are al much more expensive and do not work as well as = plain=20 old-fashioned simple trolley wire.

Alan
------=_NextPart_002_0036_01CAD67B.8FB66FE0-- -- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below -- -- Type: image/jpeg -- Size: 149k (152937 bytes) -- URL : http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/CTS_1021_(C)_Rue_de_Vieux_Marche_au_Vins_20040804.jpg -- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below -- -- Type: image/jpeg -- Size: 141 bytes -- URL : http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/%CTS_1021_(C)_Rue_de_Vieux_Marche_au_Vins_20040804.jpg -- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below -- -- Type: image/jpeg -- Size: 149k (152937 bytes) -- URL : http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/02-CTS_1021_(C)_Rue_de_Vieux_Marche_au_Vins_20040804.jpg From x779 at webtv.net Thu Apr 8 12:36:50 2010 From: x779 at webtv.net (Louis Rugani) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2010 16:36:50 GMT Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Overhead trolley wire. Message-ID: It's part of the *appeal*, not any sort of a detriment. Check and see Kenosha's treatment, complete with 'pineapple' finials. =Lou= ~~~~~~~~~~ **-=\/=-** ~~~~~~~~~~ The opposite of bravery is not cowardice, but conformity.  Robert Anthony -----Original Message----- From: Ken and Tracie Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2010 7:55 PM To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org Cc: Milwaukee-electric at dementia.org, Charlesebrown at webtv.net, SCOTT GREIG, Rick Murphy Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Fw: [SFMuniHistory] Streetcars in D.C. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_002_0036_01CAD67B.8FB66FE0" ------=_NextPart_002_0036_01CAD67B.8FB66FE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fwd: [SFMuniHistory] Streetcars in D.C. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Richard C. DeArmond=20 To: prn-list at sfu.ca=20 Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 10:24 AM Subject: Fwd: [SFMuniHistory] Streetcars in D.C. Overhead trolley wire does not have to be massive and ugly. (As is in = Pittsburgh) It can be almost invisible and with DC's many tree lined = streets it does not have to be a deal killer for having trolley wire in = central DC. From another list:: As I said before the French and Spanish seamed to have mastered the = minimalist philosophy and technology to have quality attractive = overhead. By using this technology to build this type of overhead on the = starter line where overhead is permitted as a "bell cow" it should be = easy to get the law changed to allow this type of trolley overhead to be = used with out allowing utility wire etc to be used. =20 At least with present technology conduit, the Alstroum's switched = center third rail or on board batteries are al much more expensive and = do not work as well as plain old-fashioned simple trolley wire. Alan ------=_NextPart_002_0036_01CAD67B.8FB66FE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fwd: [SFMuniHistory] Streetcars in D.C.
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Richard C. = DeArmond=20
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 10:24 AM
Subject: Fwd: [SFMuniHistory] Streetcars in D.C.



Overhead=20 trolley wire does not have to be massive and ugly.  (As is in = Pittsburgh)=20 It can be almost invisible and with DC's many tree lined streets it = does not=20 have to be a deal killer for having trolley wire in central=20 DC.
From another=20 list::
As I said=20 before the French and Spanish seamed to have mastered the minimalist=20 philosophy and technology to have quality attractive overhead. By = using this=20 technology to build this type of overhead on the starter line where = overhead=20 is permitted as a "bell cow" it should be easy to get the law changed = to allow=20 this type of trolley overhead to be used with out allowing utility = wire etc to=20 be used.  

 
At least with=20 present technology conduit, the Alstroum's switched center third rail = or on=20 board batteries are al much more expensive and do not work as well as = plain=20 old-fashioned simple trolley wire.

Alan
------=_NextPart_002_0036_01CAD67B.8FB66FE0-- -- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below -- -- Type: image/jpeg -- Size: 149k (152937 bytes) -- URL : http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/CTS_1021_(C)_Rue_de_Vieux_Marche_au_Vins_20040804.jpg -- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below -- -- Type: image/jpeg -- Size: 141 bytes -- URL : http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/%CTS_1021_(C)_Rue_de_Vieux_Marche_au_Vins_20040804.jpg -- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below -- -- Type: image/jpeg -- Size: 149k (152937 bytes) -- URL : http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/02-CTS_1021_(C)_Rue_de_Vieux_Marche_au_Vins_20040804.jpg From ktjosephson at embarqmail.com Thu Apr 8 20:22:30 2010 From: ktjosephson at embarqmail.com (Ken and Tracie) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 17:22:30 -0700 Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Overhead trolley wire. References: Message-ID: Hi Lou, I am a hardcore overhead fan. Overhead is what got me into the hobby as a small child. The issue is that both the first phase of Pittsburgh's reconstruction, the Shaker Heights Rapid Transit reconstruction and the surface section of Buffalo's starter line used extremely heavy catenary which appears to be heavy enough for mainline railroad electrification. The NSL, SSL and TM didn't need this for their street running segments. If light, simple span trolley wire can be approved for Washington, D.C., so prohibitively expensive conduit construction can be avoided, I am all for it. K. P.S.- Attached is one of my FAVORITE John Bromley photos of modern Toronto. ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louis Rugani" To: Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 9:36 AM Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Overhead trolley wire. > It's part of the *appeal*, not any sort of a detriment. Check and see > Kenosha's treatment, complete with 'pineapple' finials. > > =Lou= -- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below -- -- Type: image/jpeg -- Size: 62k (63555 bytes) -- URL : http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/ttc0110.jpg From rso1000 at hotmail.com Fri Apr 9 00:01:12 2010 From: rso1000 at hotmail.com (Ron Smolen) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 23:01:12 -0500 Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Overhead trolley wire. Message-ID: Lou Send them invites to Kenosha. Let them see how overhead s/b done. Then take them to Tenuta's for a Bomber. Teach them how to eat too. > From: ktjosephson at embarqmail.com > To: milwaukee-electric at lists.dementia.org > Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Overhead trolley wire. > Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 17:22:30 -0700 > > Hi Lou, > I am a hardcore overhead fan. Overhead is what got me into the hobby as a > small child. > > The issue is that both the first phase of Pittsburgh's reconstruction, the > Shaker Heights Rapid Transit reconstruction and the surface section of > Buffalo's starter line used extremely heavy catenary which appears to be > heavy enough for mainline railroad electrification. The NSL, SSL and TM > didn't need this for their street running segments. > > If light, simple span trolley wire can be approved for Washington, D.C., so > prohibitively expensive conduit construction can be avoided, I am all for > it. > > K. > > P.S.- Attached is one of my FAVORITE John Bromley photos of modern Toronto. > ;-) > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Louis Rugani" > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 9:36 AM > Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Overhead trolley wire. > > > > It's part of the *appeal*, not any sort of a detriment. Check and see > > Kenosha's treatment, complete with 'pineapple' finials. > > > > =Lou= > > > -- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below -- > -- Type: image/jpeg > -- Size: 62k (63555 bytes) > -- URL : http://lists.dementia.org/files/milwaukee-electric/ttc0110.jpg > > > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 From x779 at webtv.net Fri Apr 9 09:40:07 2010 From: x779 at webtv.net (Louis Rugani) Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2010 13:40:07 GMT Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Overhead trolley wire. Message-ID: I like overhead wire as well. The Kenosha chief dispatcher once said with a grin "Lou won't be happy until the sky is black with trolley wire." The KERy overhead went up on a Sunday exactly ten years ago this week, installed by Pieper Electric of Racine and coached by some very helpful folks at the East Troy Electric Railroad. It took one day and the job was covered with half-hour updates over WLIP radio by Joe Bisciglia. The KERy still has the kitbashed wire spool 'car'. =Lou= ~~~~~~~~~~ **-=\/=-** ~~~~~~~~~~ The opposite of bravery is not cowardice, but conformity.  Robert Anthony From x779 at webtv.net Tue Apr 13 09:53:24 2010 From: x779 at webtv.net (Louis Rugani) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 13:53:24 GMT Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Meet KERy Motorman Tim Neuens. Message-ID: Snapshot: City streetcar driver enjoying the ride BY BILL SIEL bsiel at kenoshanews.com Tim Neuens offers some insight about operating streetcars in downtown Kenosha. He???s relatively new at it, with two years of experience. Q. Is it a trolley or a streetcar? A. Streetcar. I said trolley once during a conversation with the mechanic and he never let me forget it. Q. Is there a difference? A. Yes, a streetcar runs on rails. A trolley is like a bus, and it???s also electric powered like a streetcar, but you can steer it. You don???t steer a streetcar because is runs on rails. If something gets in your way and you can???t stop, it???s going to get hit. There???s no way you can avoid it. Q. What attracted you to this line of work? A. Good question. I was out of a job. I went to the city and they steered me toward being a bus operator. I started off part time with routes in the morning and afternoon. They trained me to get my CDL (Commercial Drivers License). Q. What???s your favorite part of the job? A. Variety. I???ve met people from all over on the streetcar, people from the West Coast, East Coast, Canada, Europe and the Orient. They all came here to ride this thing because they either have one where they???re from or they used to. One guy came in from West Virginia this past winter. He didn???t even know about it until he was in Milwaukee and someone mentioned it to him. On his way to Chicago he made a detour to stop here and ride the streetcar. I thought that was kind of cool that he did that. It???s an attraction that gets people to come into town. Q. What are the biggest challenges of this job? A. Watching out for traffic, and on really busy days, staying on schedule and watching who???s back there and making sure nobody???s going around the route over and over. Q. Does the weather affect your job? A. Yes. In the winter time you have to look out for ice. The ridership declines in bad weather too. When it???s a beautiful day, you???ve got cool breezes coming through the windows. The passengers are happy and enjoying the weather. Q. How long do you intend to stay with this job? A. Until I retire. I???m no spring chicken. I like doing this. It???s different, and I???ve never done anything like it in my life. Q. What???s your favorite streetcar story? A. A lady was getting off with two little boys and she was helping one boy and the other was walking up the aisle and says to me ???Byyeee!??? and blows a kiss. How can you think that???s not something special? Snapshot is a weekly feature introducing a Kenosha County resident. If you have someone who may be a subject for the feature, e-mail the Kenosha News photo staff at photo at kenoshanews.com. ?? Copyright Kenosha News.