From ktjosephson at embarqmail.com  Sun Aug  1 11:09:38 2010
From: ktjosephson at embarqmail.com (Ken and Tracie)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 08:09:38 -0700
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] West Junction Waiting Room and New Power Poles in Milwaukee
Message-ID: <14A9876746484BC0AF81BDC41B5A22DE@KTJosephson>

There was recent discussion concerning the Hales Corners station. If I =
recall correctly, Don mentioned the West Junction waiting room was =
similar or the same as the waiting room at Hales Corners.

Attached is a photo of the West Junction waiting room for those who are =
interested.

I received some additional pictures from Larry Allan from the Northwest =
Side of Milwaukee. The Red Owl-turned-drug store which still shows in =
Google satellite photography has been torn down and replaced with a =
McDonalds.

It also appears insulator technology for power lines is improving, as =
many of the old transmission line poles which used to use "multipart" or =
"post" style insulators are being replaced with new poles using =
insulators which are about the same size as the smaller "pin type" =
insulators used by power lines of lesser voltage.=20

The transmission line along the west side of Atkinson Avenue between =
Northside Station and Capitol Drive, however, is getting new poles with =
a newer style of "post" style insulators.

K.


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From sbgreig_m1 at yahoo.com  Sun Aug  1 12:02:09 2010
From: sbgreig_m1 at yahoo.com (Scott Greig)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 09:02:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: West Junction Waiting Room and New Power Poles in Milwaukee
In-Reply-To: <14A9876746484BC0AF81BDC41B5A22DE@KTJosephson>
Message-ID: <745604.85968.qm@web65508.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

When does that picture of the West Junction waiting room date from?? I don't recall ever seeing or hearing of a waiting room at that location.
--- On Sun, 8/1/10, Ken and Tracie <ktjosephson at embarqmail.com> wrote:

From: Ken and Tracie <ktjosephson at embarqmail.com>
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] West Junction Waiting Room and New Power Poles in Milwaukee
To: Milwaukee-electric at dementia.org
Date: Sunday, August 1, 2010, 10:09 AM
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There was recent discussion concerning the Hales Corners station. If I =
recall correctly, Don mentioned the West Junction waiting room was =
similar or the same as the waiting room at Hales Corners.

Attached is a photo of the West Junction waiting room for those who are =
interested.

I received some additional pictures from Larry Allan from the Northwest =
Side of Milwaukee. The Red Owl-turned-drug store which still shows in =
Google satellite photography has been torn down and replaced with a =
McDonalds.

It also appears insulator technology for power lines is improving, as =
many of the old transmission line poles which used to use "multipart" or =
"post" style insulators are being replaced with new poles using =
insulators which are about the same size as the smaller "pin type" =
insulators used by power lines of lesser voltage.=20

The transmission line along the west side of Atkinson Avenue between =
Northside Station and Capitol Drive, however, is getting new poles with =
a newer style of "post" style insulators.

K.


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From DLeistikow at webtv.net  Sun Aug  1 12:49:04 2010
From: DLeistikow at webtv.net (Don L. Leistikow)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 11:49:04 -0500
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: West Junction Waiting Room and New Power
	Poles in Milwaukee
In-Reply-To: "Ken and Tracie" <ktjosephson@embarqmail.com>'s message of Sun, 1 Aug 2010 08:09:38 -0700
Message-ID: <14923-4C55A580-1728@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net>

Ken and list:   The photo of the West Junction Station, is just great...
just as I remember it.                                             

For the uninitiated, the photo looks NNW.  The tracks in front of the
Station, are the manline to Waukesha and Watertwon.  The track to the
right of the two Shelters, is the entrance to the Burlington and East
Troy Lines.  The WJ loop to turn Local Rapid Transit cars, is located
just below (S) of this photo.                                       

The Waiting Room, was removed, some time later, as was one of the two
Shelters. 

Don L.   



From ktjosephson at embarqmail.com  Sun Aug  1 15:45:39 2010
From: ktjosephson at embarqmail.com (Ken and Tracie)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 12:45:39 -0700
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: West Junction Waiting Room and New Power Poles in Milwaukee
References: <745604.85968.qm@web65508.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4E3D398F64664E0087B151ECBC3F921F@KTJosephson>

I have no idea, Scott. It's one of the little gems Paul Weyrich left me.

K.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Greig" <sbgreig_m1 at yahoo.com>
To: <milwaukee-electric at lists.dementia.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 9:02 AM
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: West Junction Waiting Room and New Power 
Poles in Milwaukee


> When does that picture of the West Junction waiting room date from? I 
> don't recall ever seeing or hearing of a waiting room at that location. 



From sbgreig_m1 at yahoo.com  Sun Aug  1 18:52:28 2010
From: sbgreig_m1 at yahoo.com (Scott Greig)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 15:52:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: West Junction Waiting Room and New Power Poles in Milwaukee
In-Reply-To: <4E3D398F64664E0087B151ECBC3F921F@KTJosephson>
Message-ID: <791021.94810.qm@web65502.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Well, it's another interesting "gap" revealed and filled, all at once.
--- On Sun, 8/1/10, Ken and Tracie <ktjosephson at embarqmail.com> wrote:

From: Ken and Tracie <ktjosephson at embarqmail.com>
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: West Junction Waiting Room and New Power Poles in Milwaukee
To: milwaukee-electric at lists.dementia.org
Date: Sunday, August 1, 2010, 2:45 PM

I have no idea, Scott. It's one of the little gems Paul Weyrich left me.

K.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Greig" <sbgreig_m1 at yahoo.com>
To: <milwaukee-electric at lists.dementia.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 9:02 AM
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: West Junction Waiting Room and New Power 
Poles in Milwaukee


> When does that picture of the West Junction waiting room date from? I 
> don't recall ever seeing or hearing of a waiting room at that location. 






From msa_vianney at hotmail.com  Mon Aug  2 03:32:26 2010
From: msa_vianney at hotmail.com (Matthew Austin)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 17:32:26 +1000
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: West Junction Waiting Room and New Power
 Poles in Milwaukee
In-Reply-To: <14A9876746484BC0AF81BDC41B5A22DE@KTJosephson>
References: <14A9876746484BC0AF81BDC41B5A22DE@KTJosephson>
Message-ID: <COL124-W40316DA6AE531545B32B5F8DAD0@phx.gbl>

Please excuse my ignorance, but I'm not sure of the significance of the Red Owl.

Cheers,
Matt


> I received some additional pictures from Larry Allan from the Northwest =
> Side of Milwaukee. The Red Owl-turned-drug store which still shows in =
> Google satellite photography has been torn down and replaced with a =
> McDonalds.
 		 	   		  


From ktjosephson at embarqmail.com  Mon Aug  2 11:46:17 2010
From: ktjosephson at embarqmail.com (Ken and Tracie)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 08:46:17 -0700
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: West Junction Waiting Room and New Power Poles in Milwaukee
References: <14A9876746484BC0AF81BDC41B5A22DE@KTJosephson> <COL124-W40316DA6AE531545B32B5F8DAD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <AFD0606A859945BFBFB6D8A37578F290@KTJosephson>

We were tracing Northwest Side water ways and one used to pass in that area. 
It is now in a tunnel and a trench.

K.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Matthew Austin" <msa_vianney at hotmail.com>
To: "Milwaukee list Milwaukee list" <milwaukee-electric at lists.dementia.org>
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 12:32 AM
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: West Junction Waiting Room and New Power 
Poles in Milwaukee


> Please excuse my ignorance, but I'm not sure of the significance of the 
> Red Owl.
>
> Cheers,
> Matt
>
>
>> I received some additional pictures from Larry Allan from the Northwest =
>> Side of Milwaukee. The Red Owl-turned-drug store which still shows in =
>> Google satellite photography has been torn down and replaced with a =
>> McDonalds.
>
> 



From gSchnabl at SWDetroit.com  Mon Aug  2 01:46:30 2010
From: gSchnabl at SWDetroit.com (Gary Schnabl)
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 01:46:30 -0400
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: West Junction Waiting Room and New Power
 Poles in Milwaukee
In-Reply-To: <14A9876746484BC0AF81BDC41B5A22DE@KTJosephson>
References: <14A9876746484BC0AF81BDC41B5A22DE@KTJosephson>
Message-ID: <4C565BB6.60301@SWDetroit.com>

On 8/1/2010 11:09 AM, Ken and Tracie wrote:
> There was recent discussion concerning the Hales Corners station. If I =
> recall correctly, Don mentioned the West Junction waiting room was =
> similar or the same as the waiting room at Hales Corners.
>
> Attached is a photo of the West Junction waiting room for those who are =
> interested.
>
> I received some additional pictures from Larry Allan from the Northwest =
> Side of Milwaukee. The Red Owl-turned-drug store which still shows in =
> Google satellite photography has been torn down and replaced with a =
> McDonalds.
>
> It also appears insulator technology for power lines is improving, as =
> many of the old transmission line poles which used to use "multipart" or =
> "post" style insulators are being replaced with new poles using =
> insulators which are about the same size as the smaller "pin type" =
> insulators used by power lines of lesser voltage.=20
>
> The transmission line along the west side of Atkinson Avenue between =
> Northside Station and Capitol Drive, however, is getting new poles with =
> a newer style of "post" style insulators.
>
> K.
>
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To me, practically "everything" in my old neighborhood has changed: no 
Fruit Ranch, no Capitol Court, the custard stand a block away that made 
its own custard, "phosphates", deep-fried fish, chicken, and ribs, etc., 
yada, yada, yada. Even my parish school--St John de Nepomuc--which was 
doubled in size in 1955, was prematurely closed by the Archdiocese for 
no apparent reason back when it happened. Eventually, the facts came 
out: there were three pedophiles working my old school starting seven 
years after I attended--a lay fifth-grade teacher and two parish priests 
(http://terrenceberres.com/ise-sex.html). It was rather shocking a few 
years ago to discover why a fairly new school building (plus the older 
building) was shuttered and eventually sold to the public-school system.


Two questions:
(1) When the interurban started its rapid-transit phase, it started near 
35th Street. An older map shows some rail extension heading NE off the 
interurban toward 35th. What was that used for?

(2) How many streetcar lines serviced West Junction when the interurban 
shut down? Did the West-Allis Wells stop at 70th and Greenfield back 
then or did it extend out to West Junction? I never rode the Wells 
further west than County Stadium until 1957, about the time it ended.

Thanks for the creek work, BTW. Did Banner Lumber at 35th and Marion 
burn down? I have a vague recollection of a lumber yard burning for a 
few days, but I forgot which one it was. The railroads were notorious 
with their diesel exhausts starting grass fires and such near lumber 
yards--assuming that was how many such fires started.


Gary
-- 

Gary Schnabl
Southwest Detroit, two miles NORTH! of Canada--Windsor, that is...





From sbgreig_m1 at yahoo.com  Mon Aug  2 19:35:05 2010
From: sbgreig_m1 at yahoo.com (Scott Greig)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 16:35:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: West Junction Waiting Room and New Power Poles in Milwaukee
In-Reply-To: <4C565BB6.60301@SWDetroit.com>
Message-ID: <811756.34887.qm@web65505.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

In the early stages of the Rapid Transit Line's construction, the interurbans operated west along Clybourn until they joined the new line at about 35th Street, The original connection to the RTL was that branch that went off to the northeast.? Its use was discontinued after the rest of the Rapid Transit Line to the east entered service, but the connection remained afterwards.
--- On Mon, 8/2/10, Gary Schnabl <gSchnabl at SWDetroit.com> wrote:

From: Gary Schnabl <gSchnabl at SWDetroit.com>
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: West Junction Waiting Room and New Power Poles in Milwaukee
To: milwaukee-electric at lists.dementia.org
Date: Monday, August 2, 2010, 12:46 AM

On 8/1/2010 11:09 AM, Ken and Tracie wrote:
> There was recent discussion concerning the Hales Corners station. If I =
> recall correctly, Don mentioned the West Junction waiting room was =
> similar or the same as the waiting room at Hales Corners.
>
> Attached is a photo of the West Junction waiting room for those who are =
> interested.
>
> I received some additional pictures from Larry Allan from the Northwest =
> Side of Milwaukee. The Red Owl-turned-drug store which still shows in =
> Google satellite photography has been torn down and replaced with a =
> McDonalds.
>
> It also appears insulator technology for power lines is improving, as =
> many of the old transmission line poles which used to use "multipart" or =
> "post" style insulators are being replaced with new poles using =
> insulators which are about the same size as the smaller "pin type" =
> insulators used by power lines of lesser voltage.=20
>
> The transmission line along the west side of Atkinson Avenue between =
> Northside Station and Capitol Drive, however, is getting new poles with =
> a newer style of "post" style insulators.
>
> K.
>
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>? ? 
To me, practically "everything" in my old neighborhood has changed: no 
Fruit Ranch, no Capitol Court, the custard stand a block away that made 
its own custard, "phosphates", deep-fried fish, chicken, and ribs, etc., 
yada, yada, yada. Even my parish school--St John de Nepomuc--which was 
doubled in size in 1955, was prematurely closed by the Archdiocese for 
no apparent reason back when it happened. Eventually, the facts came 
out: there were three pedophiles working my old school starting seven 
years after I attended--a lay fifth-grade teacher and two parish priests 
(http://terrenceberres.com/ise-sex.html). It was rather shocking a few 
years ago to discover why a fairly new school building (plus the older 
building) was shuttered and eventually sold to the public-school system.


Two questions:
(1) When the interurban started its rapid-transit phase, it started near 
35th Street. An older map shows some rail extension heading NE off the 
interurban toward 35th. What was that used for?

(2) How many streetcar lines serviced West Junction when the interurban 
shut down? Did the West-Allis Wells stop at 70th and Greenfield back 
then or did it extend out to West Junction? I never rode the Wells 
further west than County Stadium until 1957, about the time it ended.

Thanks for the creek work, BTW. Did Banner Lumber at 35th and Marion 
burn down? I have a vague recollection of a lumber yard burning for a 
few days, but I forgot which one it was. The railroads were notorious 
with their diesel exhausts starting grass fires and such near lumber 
yards--assuming that was how many such fires started.


Gary
-- 

Gary Schnabl
Southwest Detroit, two miles NORTH! of Canada--Windsor, that is...







From DLeistikow at webtv.net  Tue Aug  3 16:51:22 2010
From: DLeistikow at webtv.net (Don L. Leistikow)
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 15:51:22 -0500
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: West Junction Waiting Room and New
	Power Poles in Milwaukee
In-Reply-To: Scott Greig <sbgreig_m1@yahoo.com>'s message of Mon, 2 Aug
	2010 16:35:05 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <14921-4C58814A-6335@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net>

Gary S and list:   To further clarify Scott's description.... the Local
Rapid Transit Line, roughly from what would have been 100th and Lapham,
was begun out there, breaking away from the origiinal trackage tjhat ran
through West Allis .  Construction northward from that point began in
1926.                                          

Standards for the new High Speed RTL into downtown Milwaukee, was a
magnificant venture costing some six million 1926 dollars.  That entire
line was to be grade crossing free, resulting in a combination of over
and under road and street crossings.  Local Stops were built at
Greenfield, Schlinger, Adler, 92nd, 84th, 79th, 76th, 73rd, 68th,
Soldiers Home (nominally 52nd street).  A Stop was apparently built at
about 38th street on the east side of the 40th street Bluff with
construction endiing upon entrance to 35th street car line.                                   

LRT trains then ran north some two blocks, turning east on Clybourn to
6th, north to Michigan and east to the PSB.  Rechecking the TM book, a
few minor errors exist as to the end of line service of Route 13
Clybourn-Michigan line               

Limited service on Watertown trains east of West Junction, was held to
transfer (crosstown) points (Greenfield, 84th and 68th), only.                                               

What is of more interest, is that the PROW dropped down east of 73rd
street and joined the local Route 10 car line at a point about 70th
street.  That line ran straight east on Fairview Avenue to Hawley Road
where it entered prow again on the south line of Calvary Cemetary.  On
the southeast corner of Calvary Cemetary, Route 10 cars turned north,
whereas the LRT cars continued east, crossing the valley on a timber
trestle which was then filled in.  Bridges crossed over 43rd street and
the CMSTP&P tracks, before skirting the north side of the bluff.   

Later, the LRT and Route 10 car line were relocated in mid-block south
of Fairview between 68th and Hawley Road, expanding the two track prow
to four tracks in width.  That relocation ended street running on
Fairview avenue.                                               

Hope that this more technical transscription, will enlighten the issue
more completely.                                      

Don L.    



From gSchnabl at SWDetroit.com  Tue Aug  3 18:53:42 2010
From: gSchnabl at SWDetroit.com (Gary Schnabl)
Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 18:53:42 -0400
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: West Junction Waiting Room and New	Power
 Poles in Milwaukee
In-Reply-To: <14921-4C58814A-6335@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net>
References: <14921-4C58814A-6335@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <4C589DF6.3080109@SWDetroit.com>

On 8/3/2010 4:51 PM, Don L. Leistikow wrote:
> Gary S and list:   To further clarify Scott's description.... the Local
> Rapid Transit Line, roughly from what would have been 100th and Lapham,
> was begun out there, breaking away from the origiinal trackage tjhat ran
> through West Allis .  Construction northward from that point began in
> 1926.
>
> Standards for the new High Speed RTL into downtown Milwaukee, was a
> magnificant venture costing some six million 1926 dollars.  That entire
> line was to be grade crossing free, resulting in a combination of over
> and under road and street crossings.  Local Stops were built at
> Greenfield, Schlinger, Adler, 92nd, 84th, 79th, 76th, 73rd, 68th,
> Soldiers Home (nominally 52nd street).  A Stop was apparently built at
> about 38th street on the east side of the 40th street Bluff with
> construction endiing upon entrance to 35th street car line.
>
> LRT trains then ran north some two blocks, turning east on Clybourn to
> 6th, north to Michigan and east to the PSB.  Rechecking the TM book, a
> few minor errors exist as to the end of line service of Route 13
> Clybourn-Michigan line
>
> Limited service on Watertown trains east of West Junction, was held to
> transfer (crosstown) points (Greenfield, 84th and 68th), only.
>
> What is of more interest, is that the PROW dropped down east of 73rd
> street and joined the local Route 10 car line at a point about 70th
> street.  That line ran straight east on Fairview Avenue to Hawley Road
> where it entered prow again on the south line of Calvary Cemetary.  On
> the southeast corner of Calvary Cemetary, Route 10 cars turned north,
> whereas the LRT cars continued east, crossing the valley on a timber
> trestle which was then filled in.  Bridges crossed over 43rd street and
> the CMSTP&P tracks, before skirting the north side of the bluff.
>
> Later, the LRT and Route 10 car line were relocated in mid-block south
> of Fairview between 68th and Hawley Road, expanding the two track prow
> to four tracks in width.  That relocation ended street running on
> Fairview avenue.
>
> Hope that this more technical transscription, will enlighten the issue
> more completely.
>
> Don L.
>    
I had pretty much figured out where all the RT bridges, trestles, or 
other crossings were located, as they are clearly shown on this 1934 map 
(http://www4.uwm.edu/libraries/digilib/zoom/am000785.cfm). What was the 
long trestle or bridge at 45th and Canal used for? It heads NE into the 
Merrill Park neighborhood near Marquette Stadium.

When I traced the Wells streetcar line between 68th and 70th Streets on 
a map from around the 1930s, I noticed at least two variations. One went 
NE/SW for a couple blocks near where it split from the RT. What was the 
Wells configuration back in its final variation. Did the streetcars go 
down to grade a bit east of 68th Street and then use 68th Street or 
whatever to get to 70th Street. It was so long that I rode it that I 
forgot that segment. Somehow, I thought the streetcar crossed a creek 
around that point, but again my mind is fuzzy.

The old ROW of the #10 is still visible in aerial maps by Calvary 
cemetery and, possibly, on 70th Street--a few blocks north of 
Greenfield, where it might have turned to get to 68th Street.

Gary

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From lallan45 at gmail.com  Sun Aug 15 22:15:26 2010
From: lallan45 at gmail.com (Larry Allan)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 21:15:26 -0500
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Then&Now - Viaduct @ Cedarburg Quarry
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=O3iiJz=Je5MZZO6ubHidoOEGJNf_RE45hi=BC@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to Ken J. for his 1940 "Then" image and his help in resizing these
images. The "Now" image was taken this week. View is Northbound. The Road is
old Highway 57, now known as Cedarburg Road.


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From ktjosephson at embarqmail.com  Sun Aug 22 12:06:09 2010
From: ktjosephson at embarqmail.com (Ken and Tracie)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 09:06:09 -0700
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] One Man 600s
Message-ID: <3DE6BEC4E8E74AF6B299C5151EAD9FA8@KTJosephson>




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From don0731 at gte.net  Sun Aug 22 14:41:34 2010
From: don0731 at gte.net (Don Ross)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 13:41:34 -0500
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: One Man 600s
In-Reply-To: <3DE6BEC4E8E74AF6B299C5151EAD9FA8@KTJosephson>
References: <3DE6BEC4E8E74AF6B299C5151EAD9FA8@KTJosephson>
Message-ID: <0L7K00EO6H9IMQY2@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net>

I redid the page recently
http://donsdepot.donrossgroup.net/dr308.htm
Don

At 11:06 AM 8/22/2010, you wrote:
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>I love seeing photos of the very few one man 600s:
>




From DLeistikow at webtv.net  Sun Aug 22 16:21:38 2010
From: DLeistikow at webtv.net (Don L. Leistikow)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 15:21:38 -0500
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: One Man 600s
In-Reply-To: "Ken and Tracie" <ktjosephson@embarqmail.com>'s message of Sun, 22 Aug 2010 09:06:09 -0700
Message-ID: <7174-4C7186D2-4592@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net>

Ken and list:   What is the car number and where was the photo, taken?
I would guess that the car is southbound, probably on Oakland Avenue in
the neighborhood of Oakland Car Station.                                           

The 600's (601 - 660) were favored with various modifications.  The
original configuration remained intact for most of there operating life.                                   

The seven rebuilt to One-Man Safety Cars, were 611 - 616 + 660 in 1928.                      

Back in 1924, John I. Beggs lavish progam of modernizing its rolling
stock, brought the six Deck Roofed Interurban Cars (101 - 106) down to
Cold Spring Shops for the initial rebuilding program and introduction of
Green Special Coaches into the new Rapid Transit Program.  Replacing
those six cars in Appletion were MIlwaukee's 651 - 660.      The cars
were renumbered 201 - 210. Abandonment of service in 1928, brought these
ten cars back to Milwaukee and reconfigured as City streetcars,
regaining their original numbers.                               

1927 - 1928, saw several cars sent  through the Shops for improved
servcie on the Suburban Cudahy - South Milwaukee Line.  Those were cars
601 - 608.  Improved seating and Central Lighting Fixtures were basic
changes.                    

So, the remaining cars; 608, 609 and 610 + 617 - 650, continued in
service, unchanged.  Of record is that St.Louis Car Company built cars
601 - 630 in 1912.  MIlwaukee's Cold Spring Shops, built the balance of
these cars (631 - 660) in 1913.  

Don L.        



From ktjosephson at embarqmail.com  Sun Aug 22 17:11:44 2010
From: ktjosephson at embarqmail.com (Ken and Tracie)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 14:11:44 -0700
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: One Man 600s
References: <7174-4C7186D2-4592@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <4C3AE8D01D314A5FA328EF2C33367A5A@KTJosephson>

This is car 611 and it is on Oakland, south of Edgewood.

K.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don L. Leistikow" <DLeistikow at webtv.net>
To: <milwaukee-electric at lists.dementia.org>
Cc: <emory1522 at wi.rr.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 1:21 PM
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: One Man 600s


> Ken and list:   What is the car number and where was the photo, taken?
> I would guess that the car is southbound, probably on Oakland Avenue in
> the neighborhood of Oakland Car Station.
>
> The 600's (601 - 660) were favored with various modifications.  The
> original configuration remained intact for most of there operating life.
>
> The seven rebuilt to One-Man Safety Cars, were 611 - 616 + 660 in 1928.
>
> Back in 1924, John I. Beggs lavish progam of modernizing its rolling
> stock, brought the six Deck Roofed Interurban Cars (101 - 106) down to
> Cold Spring Shops for the initial rebuilding program and introduction of
> Green Special Coaches into the new Rapid Transit Program.  Replacing
> those six cars in Appletion were MIlwaukee's 651 - 660.      The cars
> were renumbered 201 - 210. Abandonment of service in 1928, brought these
> ten cars back to Milwaukee and reconfigured as City streetcars,
> regaining their original numbers.
>
> 1927 - 1928, saw several cars sent  through the Shops for improved
> servcie on the Suburban Cudahy - South Milwaukee Line.  Those were cars
> 601 - 608.  Improved seating and Central Lighting Fixtures were basic
> changes.
>
> So, the remaining cars; 608, 609 and 610 + 617 - 650, continued in
> service, unchanged.  Of record is that St.Louis Car Company built cars
> 601 - 630 in 1912.  MIlwaukee's Cold Spring Shops, built the balance of
> these cars (631 - 660) in 1913.
>
> Don L.
>
> 



From gSchnabl at SWDetroit.com  Mon Aug 23 03:41:55 2010
From: gSchnabl at SWDetroit.com (Gary Schnabl)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 03:41:55 -0400
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: One Man 600s
In-Reply-To: <7174-4C7186D2-4592@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net>
References: <7174-4C7186D2-4592@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <4C722643.2030309@SWDetroit.com>

On 8/22/2010 4:21 PM, Don L. Leistikow wrote:
> Ken and list:   What is the car number and where was the photo, taken?
> I would guess that the car is southbound, probably on Oakland Avenue in
> the neighborhood of Oakland Car Station.
>
>    
Was that carbarn located in Shorewood or Milwaukee?

Two months after the last trackless trolleys stopped running, I lived 
that summer in the apartment building (with the Chinese restaurant) 
right next door. AFAIK, its location was in Shorewood, and because of 
that I could use the "exclusive" Atwater Park, reserved generally to 
those living in Shorewood--the park people might check us for Shorewood 
ID info for entry back then (1965).

At one time, Keefe was the Milwaukee city limits. So, it seems that 
Edgewood must have been the city limits at that time (1900?) too. And 
still is.

In that photo, what was that long ramp (building east of Oakland) over 
the alley leading into? That could have been a real bitch getting in or 
out of that building. I do not remember what that building was, but it 
appears to be still standing.

And you don't see many kerosene lanterns today either, as by the 
barricade or whatever.


Gary
-- 

Gary Schnabl
Southwest Detroit, two miles NORTH! of Canada--Windsor, that is...





From DLeistikow at webtv.net  Mon Aug 23 11:19:52 2010
From: DLeistikow at webtv.net (Don L. Leistikow)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 10:19:52 -0500
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: One Man 600s
In-Reply-To: Gary Schnabl <gSchnabl@SWDetroit.com>'s message of Mon, 23 Aug
	2010 03:41:55 -0400
Message-ID: <7176-4C729198-3227@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net>

Gary S and list:   Yup, Edgewood, was the southern border of Shorewood.                  

As I was not an 'eastsider', I can't answer your question about a ramp
on the eastside of Oakland Avenue.                     

However, my memory kicked in with a commentary on the one man 600's.
Transportation to and from each other's field, was accomplished by a
Charter streetcar.  A great rivalry existed between High School Football
Teams, Wauwatosa and Shorewood, as they played each other, each Fall
Season.  The usual razzing after the game by the winner to the loser,
was common.  On one measurable occassion, Shorewood lost.  The exhausted
Shorewood team, took out their frustration on the widnows of their
one-man 600 class streetcar, breaking several.  As I recall, the
motorman was usually accompanied by a Supervisor on the round trip.  The
Special car would layover at the Harwood Terminal.              

I suspect that this was the last time that TMER&T ran that Charter, in
either direction.   I was in Wauwatosa High School, back then; the early
1940's.  We heard about that from our Principal, the next School Day.
Those interschool games were held on Friday nights.            

For the record..... Don L.             

                  



From yance at oldmilwaukee.net  Mon Aug 23 09:43:18 2010
From: yance at oldmilwaukee.net (Y Marti)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 09:43:18 -0400
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: One Man 600s
In-Reply-To: <4C722643.2030309@SWDetroit.com>
References: <7174-4C7186D2-4592@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net>
 <4C722643.2030309@SWDetroit.com>
Message-ID: <20100823094318.12582pgainpyl3gg@horde.oldmilwaukee.net>

This picture was taken at Edgewood and Oakland, looking northeast. The  
buildings are still there and the ramp is still there, leading up to a  
second story parking garage. Presumably it was originally an auto  
service/dealership.

Quoting Gary Schnabl <gSchnabl at SWDetroit.com>:

> On 8/22/2010 4:21 PM, Don L. Leistikow wrote:
>> Ken and list:   What is the car number and where was the photo, taken?
>> I would guess that the car is southbound, probably on Oakland Avenue in
>> the neighborhood of Oakland Car Station.
>>
>>
> Was that carbarn located in Shorewood or Milwaukee?
>
> Two months after the last trackless trolleys stopped running, I lived
> that summer in the apartment building (with the Chinese restaurant)
> right next door. AFAIK, its location was in Shorewood, and because of
> that I could use the "exclusive" Atwater Park, reserved generally to
> those living in Shorewood--the park people might check us for Shorewood
> ID info for entry back then (1965).
>
> At one time, Keefe was the Milwaukee city limits. So, it seems that
> Edgewood must have been the city limits at that time (1900?) too. And
> still is.
>
> In that photo, what was that long ramp (building east of Oakland) over
> the alley leading into? That could have been a real bitch getting in or
> out of that building. I do not remember what that building was, but it
> appears to be still standing.
>
> And you don't see many kerosene lanterns today either, as by the
> barricade or whatever.
>
>
> Gary
> --
>
> Gary Schnabl
> Southwest Detroit, two miles NORTH! of Canada--Windsor, that is...
>
>
>
>
>




From gSchnabl at SWDetroit.com  Tue Aug 24 22:05:41 2010
From: gSchnabl at SWDetroit.com (Gary Schnabl)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 22:05:41 -0400
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: One Man 600s
In-Reply-To: <7176-4C729198-3227@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net>
References: <7176-4C729198-3227@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <4C747A75.2090001@SWDetroit.com>

On 8/23/2010 11:19 AM, Don L. Leistikow wrote:
> Gary S and list:   Yup, Edgewood, was the southern border of Shorewood.
>
> As I was not an 'eastsider', I can't answer your question about a ramp
> on the eastside of Oakland Avenue.
>
> However, my memory kicked in with a commentary on the one man 600's.
> Transportation to and from each other's field, was accomplished by a
> Charter streetcar.  A great rivalry existed between High School Football
> Teams, Wauwatosa and Shorewood, as they played each other, each Fall
> Season.  The usual razzing after the game by the winner to the loser,
> was common.  On one measurable occassion, Shorewood lost.  The exhausted
> Shorewood team, took out their frustration on the widnows of their
> one-man 600 class streetcar, breaking several.  As I recall, the
> motorman was usually accompanied by a Supervisor on the round trip.  The
> Special car would layover at the Harwood Terminal.
>
> I suspect that this was the last time that TMER&T ran that Charter, in
> either direction.   I was in Wauwatosa High School, back then; the early
> 1940's.  We heard about that from our Principal, the next School Day.
> Those interschool games were held on Friday nights.
>
> For the record..... Don L.
>    
About Friday night football in Madison... (I worked in Madison for 27 
years and lived on a couple farms nearby.)

Friday-night football games were the norm until race riots during the 
crack 1980s forced a changeover to Saturday (AM?) games.

Black girls would routinely gang up on hapless Caucasian females (those 
who attended the football games alone), especially at Breese Stevens 
park (about 2/3 mile east of the Capitol on East Washington Blvd.) 
--where apparently East High played the football games, as they had no 
athletic fields near their HS except for practice. Usually only one or a 
few attacks per game. It seemed that the politically correct Madison 
police took little to no action on that--appeasement related? The reason 
for the attacks was that black females had only a few black males to 
date because they often dated white girls then.

One particular Friday night during the 1980s the attacks was so 
numerous, with so many blacks attacking white girls, that the police 
finally showed up and brought out their riot gear and such that they 
last used during the Vietnam student-riot days over a decade earlier.

Perhaps, the games are still held on Saturdays, but I moved from the 
People's Republik of Madison thirteen years ago.

Gary

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From DLeistikow at webtv.net  Tue Aug 24 23:08:12 2010
From: DLeistikow at webtv.net (Don L. Leistikow)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 22:08:12 -0500
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: One Man 600s
In-Reply-To: "Ken and Tracie" <ktjosephson@embarqmail.com>'s message of Sun, 22 Aug 2010 14:11:44 -0700
Message-ID: <16783-4C74891C-2630@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net>

Ken:   Looks to be immediately souh of Edgewood avenue, in Milwaukee.              

Don



From lallan45 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 25 00:03:18 2010
From: lallan45 at gmail.com (Larry Allan)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 23:03:18 -0500
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: One Man 600s
In-Reply-To: <16783-4C74891C-2630@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net>
References: <ktjosephson@embarqmail.com>
	<16783-4C74891C-2630@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikcD=dz1qAgD5AwT_kdXQUAxAhpbqcYi+H534_p@mail.gmail.com>

Check out this YouTube from the recent flooding at this same intersection.
Notice that the Edgewood Drugs is now a Accounting Service.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFgJUGplEnA
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 10:08 PM, Don L. Leistikow <DLeistikow at webtv.net>wrote:

> Ken:   Looks to be immediately souh of Edgewood avenue, in Milwaukee.
>
> Don
>
>
>




From sbgreig_m1 at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 25 00:13:45 2010
From: sbgreig_m1 at yahoo.com (Scott Greig)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 21:13:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: One Man 600s
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikcD=dz1qAgD5AwT_kdXQUAxAhpbqcYi+H534_p@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <402892.5364.qm@web65506.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

LOL...power still on, dangerous currents, and these goofs go out in it.
As the commercial said, "real men of genius".

--- On Tue, 8/24/10, Larry Allan <lallan45 at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Larry Allan <lallan45 at gmail.com>
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: One Man 600s
To: milwaukee-electric at lists.dementia.org
Date: Tuesday, August 24, 2010, 11:03 PM

Check out this YouTube from the recent flooding at this same intersection.
Notice that the Edgewood Drugs is now a Accounting Service.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFgJUGplEnA
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 10:08 PM, Don L. Leistikow <DLeistikow at webtv.net>wrote:

> Ken:???Looks to be immediately souh of Edgewood avenue, in Milwaukee.
>
> Don
>
>
>