From gSchnabl at SWDetroit.com Sat Dec 25 12:27:12 2010 From: gSchnabl at SWDetroit.com (Gary Schnabl) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 12:27:12 -0500 Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Wauwatosa or West Allis? Message-ID: <4D162970.2050101@SWDetroit.com> The caption says the site for the streetcar was somewhere in Wauwatosa. However, might that Texaco station be on South 70th Street in West Allis? If in Wauwatosa, where might its site be? http://www.sfu.ca/person/dearmond/argu/Milw-car-998a.jpg -- Gary Schnabl Southwest Detroit, two miles NORTH! of Canada--Windsor, that is... From rmadisonwi at gmail.com Sat Dec 25 12:40:40 2010 From: rmadisonwi at gmail.com (Robert Madison) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 11:40:40 -0600 Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Wauwatosa or West Allis? In-Reply-To: <4D162970.2050101@SWDetroit.com> References: <4D162970.2050101@SWDetroit.com> Message-ID: <4D162C98.9030409@gmail.com> That looks to be around 72nd & State in Wauwatosa. That would explain the railroad tracks (Milwaukee Road) right nearby. That gas station was still there recently (if it's the place I'm thinking of). On 25-Dec-10 11:27, Gary Schnabl wrote: > The caption says the site for the streetcar was somewhere in Wauwatosa. > However, might that Texaco station be on South 70th Street in West > Allis? If in Wauwatosa, where might its site be? > http://www.sfu.ca/person/dearmond/argu/Milw-car-998a.jpg From DLeistikow at webtv.net Sat Dec 25 12:55:21 2010 From: DLeistikow at webtv.net (Don L. Leistikow) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 11:55:21 -0600 Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Wauwatosa or West Allis? In-Reply-To: Robert Madison 's message of Sat, 25 Dec 2010 11:40:40 -0600 Message-ID: <14590-4D163009-3350@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net> Robert M, Gary S and list: Great photo. Location is definitely 72nd and State Streets. Car 998 is westbound, adjacent to the MILW tracks. I would gress that the photo was taken early in 1958, close to the abandonemtn date of March 2nd. Confirming the actual date, would be of interest. Considering that the car is going away from the photographer... could there be another photo of the car approaching the photographer? Don L. From don0731 at gte.net Sat Dec 25 13:08:26 2010 From: don0731 at gte.net (Don Ross) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 12:08:26 -0600 Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Wauwatosa or West Allis? In-Reply-To: <4D162970.2050101@SWDetroit.com> References: <4D162970.2050101@SWDetroit.com> Message-ID: <0LDZ004IFX2CGLO1@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> Here is the original and the information http://donsdepot.donrossgroup.net/dr1119.htm Don At 11:27 AM 12/25/2010, you wrote: >The caption says the site for the streetcar was somewhere in Wauwatosa. >However, might that Texaco station be on South 70th Street in West >Allis? If in Wauwatosa, where might its site be? >http://www.sfu.ca/person/dearmond/argu/Milw-car-998a.jpg >-- > >Gary Schnabl >Southwest Detroit, two miles NORTH! of Canada--Windsor, that is... From ktjosephson at embarqmail.com Sun Dec 26 10:24:21 2010 From: ktjosephson at embarqmail.com (Ken and Tracie) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 07:24:21 -0800 Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Wauwatosa or West Allis? References: <4D162970.2050101@SWDetroit.com> Message-ID: <508C0DC499824AE6BE2C792AAFF52B34@KTJosephson> Hi Gary, Definitely 72nd & State. I worked in the "Village" from 1979 until early 1985. My employer had a fueling account for company vehicles at that Texaco. The station also handled repairs on our older vehicles once they were out of warranty. The new upper cross arms with six wires were added to the Milwaukee Road's signal pole line in 1957, replacing the company's two wire AC circuit through the area. Though the street lighting fixture style was popular in communities across the country, the street lighting poles and fixtures seen on State Street were unique to Wauwatosa as far as Milwaukee suburbs were concerned..They were replaced between the late 1970s and the early 1980s. I have a finial from one. After a pedestrian bridge was built at the location of the former streetcar bridge crossed the river, I often took the Route 76 bus to 68th and State and walk the right of way to work. Much faster than waiting for the westbound Route 71. K. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Schnabl" To: Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2010 9:27 AM Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Wauwatosa or West Allis? > The caption says the site for the streetcar was somewhere in Wauwatosa. > However, might that Texaco station be on South 70th Street in West > Allis? If in Wauwatosa, where might its site be? > http://www.sfu.ca/person/dearmond/argu/Milw-car-998a.jpg > -- > > Gary Schnabl > Southwest Detroit, two miles NORTH! of Canada--Windsor, that is... > > > > From don0731 at gte.net Sun Dec 26 12:07:41 2010 From: don0731 at gte.net (Don Ross) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 11:07:41 -0600 Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Wauwatosa or West Allis? In-Reply-To: <508C0DC499824AE6BE2C792AAFF52B34@KTJosephson> References: <4D162970.2050101@SWDetroit.com> <508C0DC499824AE6BE2C792AAFF52B34@KTJosephson> Message-ID: <0LE100LKHOX2NDT1@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> I can verify. I took the picture. Don At 09:24 AM 12/26/2010, you wrote: >Hi Gary, > >Definitely 72nd & State. > >I worked in the "Village" from 1979 until early 1985. My employer had a >fueling account for company vehicles at that Texaco. The station also >handled repairs on our older vehicles once they were out of warranty. > >The new upper cross arms with six wires were added to the Milwaukee Road's >signal pole line in 1957, replacing the company's two wire AC circuit >through the area. > >Though the street lighting fixture style was popular in communities across >the country, the street lighting poles and fixtures seen on State Street >were unique to Wauwatosa as far as Milwaukee suburbs were concerned..They >were replaced between the late 1970s and the early 1980s. I have a finial >from one. > >After a pedestrian bridge was built at the location of the former streetcar >bridge crossed the river, I often took the Route 76 bus to 68th and State >and walk the right of way to work. Much faster than waiting for the >westbound Route 71. > >K. From DLeistikow at webtv.net Sun Dec 26 15:51:00 2010 From: DLeistikow at webtv.net (Don L. Leistikow) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 14:51:00 -0600 Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Wauwatosa or West Allis? In-Reply-To: Don Ross 's message of Sun, 26 Dec 2010 11:07:41 -0600 Message-ID: <14590-4D17AAB4-4192@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net> Don R: Wonderful photo, even though going away. Did you take a picture of the car approachig you? And.... do you have the date? Merry Christmas, Day After......... Don L. From don0731 at gte.net Sun Dec 26 17:04:23 2010 From: don0731 at gte.net (Don Ross) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 16:04:23 -0600 Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Wauwatosa or West Allis? In-Reply-To: <14590-4D17AAB4-4192@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net> References: <14590-4D17AAB4-4192@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <0LE200E3X2NDK771@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> I believed that REAL pictures had to be done in size 616 black & white. When I was in the Army in 1952 I got a 35 camera and shot slides but I never really filed them or used them for much. I just stuck all the slides in boxes over the years. In 1976 I put the camera away when I did my grad work. When you run an air freight service and spend 2 evening and a week end, hobbies went into the closet. In the later 1979, I was ready to go back. And then---NO 616. My albums were based on photos. Back in the 1940s, B&W prints were 1 or 2 cents each. Color slide prints were around $100 dye process prints. In 1979, both prints color and black & white were around 40 cents each. So I got into slides. I dug around and found a bunch of my old slides and they are slowly being worked into my site which started in 1998. A bunch of the slides are Ektachrome and the colors are pretty rough. I have 2 new software programs which seem to be doing a little better each time I mess around with them. I don't know where the guy got a copy of my photo. It may have been one of the prints I had done back in the 80s. Now I keep working and adding more stuff every day. I have an index on TM http://donsdepot.donrossgroup.net/indextm.htm And Speedrail http://donsdepot.donrossgroup.net/indexmrt.htm And Milwaukee Northern http://donsdepot.donrossgroup.net/dr2280.htm Also North Shore http://donsdepot.donrossgroup.net/indexcns.htm When I add or correct pages, I put a new date on the page and on the index. So if you swing by on my site, you can know where there is new stuff to see. Merrry Christmas and Happy New Year Don At 02:51 PM 12/26/2010, you wrote: >Don R: Wonderful photo, even though going away. Did you take a >picture of the car approachig you? And.... do you have the >date? > >Merry Christmas, Day After......... > >Don L. From ktjosephson at embarqmail.com Sun Dec 26 17:53:58 2010 From: ktjosephson at embarqmail.com (Ken and Tracie) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 14:53:58 -0800 Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Wauwatosa or West Allis? References: <14590-4D17AAB4-4192@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net> <0LE200E3X2NDK771@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <9DF0458BB38C4D4A8D6BEF4FD36118E5@KTJosephson> As an example, I have obtained a number of your shots as duplicate slides or prints from other fans, estate sales, etc. I know they are yours because they are stamped with your name.I also found some of your work in the late Paul Weyrich's collection, which he willed to me. I have a favorite shot you took of an eastbound Route 10 car as it is leaving the private right of and entering the street leading to 68th. I cannot recall from whom I received it. K. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Ross" To: Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 2:04 PM Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Wauwatosa or West Allis? >I believed that REAL pictures had to be done in size 616 black & > white. When I was in the Army in 1952 I got a 35 camera and shot > slides but I never really filed them or used them for much. I just > stuck all the slides in boxes over the years. In 1976 I put the > camera away when I did my grad work. When you run an air freight > service and spend 2 evening and a week end, hobbies went into the > closet. In the later 1979, I was ready to go back. And then---NO > 616. My albums were based on photos. Back in the 1940s, B&W prints > were 1 or 2 cents each. Color slide prints were around $100 dye > process prints. In 1979, both prints color and black & white were > around 40 cents each. So I got into slides. I dug around and found > a bunch of my old slides and they are slowly being worked into my > site which started in 1998. A bunch of the slides are Ektachrome and > the colors are pretty rough. I have 2 new software programs which > seem to be doing a little better each time I mess around with them. > > I don't know where the guy got a copy of my photo. It may have been > one of the prints I had done back in the 80s. > > Now I keep working and adding more stuff every day. I have an index > on TM http://donsdepot.donrossgroup.net/indextm.htm > And Speedrail http://donsdepot.donrossgroup.net/indexmrt.htm > And Milwaukee Northern http://donsdepot.donrossgroup.net/dr2280.htm > Also North Shore http://donsdepot.donrossgroup.net/indexcns.htm > > When I add or correct pages, I put a new date on the page and on the > index. So if you swing by on my site, you can know where there is > new stuff to see. > > Merrry Christmas and Happy New Year > > Don > > > At 02:51 PM 12/26/2010, you wrote: >>Don R: Wonderful photo, even though going away. Did you take a >>picture of the car approachig you? And.... do you have the >>date? >> >>Merry Christmas, Day After......... >> >>Don L. > > > From gSchnabl at SWDetroit.com Sun Dec 26 19:25:42 2010 From: gSchnabl at SWDetroit.com (Gary Schnabl) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 19:25:42 -0500 Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Wauwatosa or West Allis? In-Reply-To: <508C0DC499824AE6BE2C792AAFF52B34@KTJosephson> References: <4D162970.2050101@SWDetroit.com> <508C0DC499824AE6BE2C792AAFF52B34@KTJosephson> Message-ID: <4D17DD06.20406@SWDetroit.com> On account of the snow, I was uncertain if there were railroad tracks or a poorly plowed roadway in that photo. I suppose that Wauwatosa went as far to the east as 27th Street at some ancient time because on the 1910 Census, my grandfather's 30-acre "farm" at 42nd & Capitol Drive was listed as being in the town of Wauwatosa. Back when the village of West Milwaukee was incorporated a bit over 100 years ago, it too was listed as being in Wauwatosa, along with West Allis. Today, I came across an 1838 map (http://content.wisconsinhistory.org/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=%2Ftp&CISOPTR=5506&DMSCALE=25.00000&DMWIDTH=770&DMHEIGHT=600&DMMODE=viewer&DMFULL=0&DMOLDSCALE=2.66005&DMX=0&DMY=0&DMTEXT=&DMTHUMB=1&REC=1&DMROTATE=0&x=132&y=36 ) showing the original streams roughly between Milwaukee and Pewaukee--the only two locations of any significant settlement back then. One can approximate their current locations by knowing that the section lines are roughly roads such as Capitol Drive, 27th Street, Sherman Boulevard, etc. Milwaukee was about 2 1/2 square miles then, and Pewaukee had about a half square mile in area. The map shows the path of the proposed Milwaukee to Rock River Canal traversing the Subcontinental Divide between Milwaukee and Pewaukee. Part of its path was chosen to be very near the interurban's ROW. On 12/26/2010 10:24 AM, Ken and Tracie wrote: > Hi Gary, > > Definitely 72nd& State. > > I worked in the "Village" from 1979 until early 1985. My employer had a > fueling account for company vehicles at that Texaco. The station also > handled repairs on our older vehicles once they were out of warranty. > > The new upper cross arms with six wires were added to the Milwaukee Road's > signal pole line in 1957, replacing the company's two wire AC circuit > through the area. > > Though the street lighting fixture style was popular in communities across > the country, the street lighting poles and fixtures seen on State Street > were unique to Wauwatosa as far as Milwaukee suburbs were concerned..They > were replaced between the late 1970s and the early 1980s. I have a finial > from one. > > After a pedestrian bridge was built at the location of the former streetcar > bridge crossed the river, I often took the Route 76 bus to 68th and State > and walk the right of way to work. Much faster than waiting for the > westbound Route 71. > > K. -- Gary Schnabl Southwest Detroit, two miles NORTH! of Canada--Windsor, that is... From DLeistikow at webtv.net Sun Dec 26 22:21:38 2010 From: DLeistikow at webtv.net (Don L. Leistikow) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 21:21:38 -0600 Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Don's Depot Photos In-Reply-To: Don Ross 's message of Sun, 26 Dec 2010 16:04:23 -0600 Message-ID: <23045-4D180642-9060@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net> Don R and list: You made brief refernce on your TMER&L pages, as to the entrance of second hand, double trucked cars from Massachusetts. As they had Brill 77-E 1 trucks, the refurbishing of the cars for service in Racine, included exchanging the Brill trucks with TMER&L's M-35-AB arch bar trucks. The Brill trucks were then refitted to TMER&L's cars 925-930. As a youngster, I once saw a car on Wisconsin Avenue with said Brill 77 E 1 trucks. We may then conclude that the arch bar trucks were returned to the Milwaukee cars after Racine streetcar service ended in 1940. Car 39 was scrapped on December 28, 1939, The balance, cars 35 - 38 and 40, were scrapped on November 4, 1941. Don L. From don0731 at gte.net Sun Dec 26 22:31:36 2010 From: don0731 at gte.net (Don Ross) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 21:31:36 -0600 Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Don's Depot Photos In-Reply-To: <23045-4D180642-9060@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net> References: <23045-4D180642-9060@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <0LE200J6UHSRF7V0@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> Here are the Racine cars and the truck information http://donsdepot.donrossgroup.net/dr378.htm Here are the 925 thru 964 and will be upgraded upcoming in the near future. http://donsdepot.donrossgroup.net/dr778.htm Don R At 09:21 PM 12/26/2010, you wrote: >Don R and list: You made brief refernce on your TMER&L pages, as to >the entrance of second hand, double trucked cars from Massachusetts. > > >As they had Brill 77-E 1 trucks, the refurbishing of the cars for >service in Racine, included exchanging the Brill trucks with TMER&L's >M-35-AB arch bar trucks. The Brill trucks were then refitted to >TMER&L's cars 925-930. As a youngster, I once saw a car on Wisconsin >Avenue with said Brill 77 E 1 trucks. We may then conclude that the >arch bar trucks were returned to the Milwaukee cars after Racine >streetcar service ended in >1940. > >Car 39 was scrapped on December 28, 1939, The balance, cars 35 - 38 and >40, were scrapped on November 4, 1941. > >Don L.