From ktjosephson at embarqmail.com  Sat Jun 19 16:27:33 2010
From: ktjosephson at embarqmail.com (Ken and Tracie)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 13:27:33 -0700
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Another Before and After Photo Set
Message-ID: <BB261AFE6DD141B1821744C276B235F7@KTJosephson>

The top photo was taken by Paul Weyrich, circa 1964.

The bottom was taken by Larry Allan, this week.

Though Larry was across the street from Paul's location, the views are =
pretty close.

K.


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From DLeistikow at webtv.net  Sat Jun 19 18:22:01 2010
From: DLeistikow at webtv.net (Don L. Leistikow)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 17:22:01 -0500
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Another Before and After Photo Set
In-Reply-To: "Ken and Tracie" <ktjosephson@embarqmail.com>'s message of Sat, 19 Jun 2010 13:27:33 -0700
Message-ID: <25860-4C1D4309-4294@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net>

Ken:   Very Interesting....    Whereas, Streetcars could split a track
switch, to have a Trackless Trolley split an overhead wire switch, is
quite another matter.          

Why a uniformed Driver (of this coach?) is merely standing on the curb
(for the photo?) is a mystery.  I can only guess what may have happened
when a Supervisor came upon the scene.              

Barring any other circumstance, logic would suggest that the 'Driver'
would grab the errant pole rope and swing it over to the inside Power
wire, completing the circuit and thus, move on.                     


Looks like a 350 series TT.....  Good Photos.                                                     

Don L.        



From ktjosephson at embarqmail.com  Sat Jun 19 18:38:45 2010
From: ktjosephson at embarqmail.com (Ken and Tracie)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 15:38:45 -0700
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Another Before and After Photo Set
References: <25860-4C1D4309-4294@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <C49116251B5B47FBB5AFDE840BB52A5A@KTJosephson>

It was Paul's 1964 fantrip.

BTW, I have located a photo lab in Kansas to duplicate the 757-763 slides 
for you.

K.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don L. Leistikow" <DLeistikow at webtv.net>
To: <milwaukee-electric at lists.dementia.org>
Cc: <Milwaukee-electric at dementia.org>; "Schneider Fred" 
<fwschneider at comcast.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 3:22 PM
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Another Before and After Photo Set


> Ken:   Very Interesting....    Whereas, Streetcars could split a track
> switch, to have a Trackless Trolley split an overhead wire switch, is
> quite another matter.
>
> Why a uniformed Driver (of this coach?) is merely standing on the curb
> (for the photo?) is a mystery.  I can only guess what may have happened
> when a Supervisor came upon the scene.
>
> Barring any other circumstance, logic would suggest that the 'Driver'
> would grab the errant pole rope and swing it over to the inside Power
> wire, completing the circuit and thus, move on.
>
>
> Looks like a 350 series TT.....  Good Photos.
>
> Don L.
>
> 



From gSchnabl at SWDetroit.com  Sat Jun 19 22:02:10 2010
From: gSchnabl at SWDetroit.com (Gary Schnabl)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 22:02:10 -0400
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Another Before and After Photo Set
In-Reply-To: <25860-4C1D4309-4294@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net>
References: <25860-4C1D4309-4294@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <4C1D76A2.20209@SWDetroit.com>

On 6/19/2010 6:22 PM, Don L. Leistikow wrote:
> Ken:   Very Interesting....    Whereas, Streetcars could split a track
> switch, to have a Trackless Trolley split an overhead wire switch, is
> quite another matter.
>
> Why a uniformed Driver (of this coach?) is merely standing on the curb
> (for the photo?) is a mystery.  I can only guess what may have happened
> when a Supervisor came upon the scene.
>
> Barring any other circumstance, logic would suggest that the 'Driver'
> would grab the errant pole rope and swing it over to the inside Power
> wire, completing the circuit and thus, move on.
>
>
> Looks like a 350 series TT.....  Good Photos.
>
> Don L.
>    
After moving to Brookfield in 1956, my parents still hung onto their 
last two city lots--one with the farmhouse--of what was left of my 
grandparent's former 30 acres north of 42nd & Capitol. As an older 
teenager while attending Marquette U for three semesters, I would bach 
it over at the old house during much of that time.

My car had a mobile ham radio installed with an extra-long center-loaded 
whip antenna, whose top portion was a full-sized 10-meter-band whip (9 
feet or so). The trackless-trolley wires were still standing at that 
time, and the spring-based whip was tall enough to contact them. I 
always shot across Center Street or those trolley routes based out of 
Fiebrantz really fast, so as not having to contact those wires for any 
amount of time.

My question: Was my car or radio gear ever in any trouble as a result of 
momentarily contacting those overhead wires? I never experienced 
anything, as I recall. Or was I just lucky?

Gary


-- 

Gary Schnabl
Southwest Detroit, two miles NORTH! of Canada--Windsor, that is...





From DLeistikow at webtv.net  Sun Jun 20 01:15:39 2010
From: DLeistikow at webtv.net (Don L. Leistikow)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 00:15:39 -0500
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Another Before and After Photo Set
In-Reply-To: Gary Schnabl <gSchnabl@SWDetroit.com>'s message of Sat, 19 Jun
	2010 22:02:10 -0400
Message-ID: <12554-4C1DA3FB-2704@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net>

Gary S and list:   Flirting with the hereafter, is challanging.  Like
running a gantlet track in the hope that nothing is coming from the
other end.                        

But, seriously.... speeding through the two overhead wires is,
challangig, death.  I suspect that the main reason that you are still
alive is because your vehicle had rubber tires, therefore you were
insulated from the overhead electrical charge that measured 600 volts.
That is enough to do you in. if you were grounded.                     

Had there been some iron trailing from your automobile... BOOM and very
likely a fire would have ignited and engulfed your vehicle.                                             

On the other hand, the 600 volts, perhaps, ..... would simply burn off
your aerial.        

My best advice is:  don't tempt fate.           

It is nice to hear from you though.              

Don L.      



From gSchnabl at SWDetroit.com  Sun Jun 20 05:38:20 2010
From: gSchnabl at SWDetroit.com (Gary Schnabl)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 05:38:20 -0400
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Another Before and After Photo Set
In-Reply-To: <12554-4C1DA3FB-2704@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net>
References: <12554-4C1DA3FB-2704@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <4C1DE18C.6050203@SWDetroit.com>

On 6/20/2010 1:15 AM, Don L. Leistikow wrote:
> Gary S and list:   Flirting with the hereafter, is challanging.  Like
> running a gantlet track in the hope that nothing is coming from the
> other end.
>
> But, seriously.... speeding through the two overhead wires is,
> challangig, death.  I suspect that the main reason that you are still
> alive is because your vehicle had rubber tires, therefore you were
> insulated from the overhead electrical charge that measured 600 volts.
> That is enough to do you in. if you were grounded.
>
> Had there been some iron trailing from your automobile... BOOM and very
> likely a fire would have ignited and engulfed your vehicle.
>
> On the other hand, the 600 volts, perhaps, ..... would simply burn off
> your aerial.
>
> My best advice is:  don't tempt fate.
>
> It is nice to hear from you though.
>
> Don L.
>    
I later added some heat-shrink-wrap tubing to the top couple feet of the 
whip when that type of tubing became available around that time, easing 
my concern of contacting the overheads. I was becoming active as an 
engineer (plus chief engineer) in Milwaukee area radio and TV stations 
at that time and saw another good use for the tubing other than in 
wiring harnesses.

Gary

-- 

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Southwest Detroit, two miles NORTH! of Canada--Windsor, that is...

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LinkedIn profile <http://www.linkedin.com/in/garyschnabl>

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From sunrise at bikethehoan.com  Sun Jun 20 13:01:07 2010
From: sunrise at bikethehoan.com (William Sell)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 12:01:07 -0500
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] photos of Hales Corners?
In-Reply-To: <4C1D76A2.20209@SWDetroit.com>
References: <25860-4C1D4309-4294@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net>
 <4C1D76A2.20209@SWDetroit.com>
Message-ID: <4c1e494c.013adc0a.173a.ffffc8a3@mx.google.com>

I am looking for photo(s) of the Hales Corners interurban station 
from the 1940s.  Does anyone know where I can find them?
My search of thetransportco.com has come up dry

Bill Sell




















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From DLeistikow at webtv.net  Sun Jun 20 17:08:55 2010
From: DLeistikow at webtv.net (Don L. Leistikow)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 16:08:55 -0500
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: photos of Hales Corners?
In-Reply-To: William Sell <sunrise@bikethehoan.com>'s message of Sun, 20
	Jun 2010 12:01:07 -0500
Message-ID: <17230-4C1E8367-764@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net>

Bill S:   As I recall, the Shelters at 27th, 35th, WJ and HC... were
identical.  The Shelter at WJ (long gone) was on the west side of the
Waukesha-Watertown line.  Likely opposite the open bench stucco shelter,
directly opposite on the east side of the Main Line.                        

See one, and you've seen them all.            

Anyway, if I am incorrect as to identical structures, then any exceeding
in dimension, would be a simple extension of the design.   So, start
your project by assessing photographs of all of these shelters.                                                   

Another way to research is; via the Wisconsin State Historical Society,
in Madison.  All of the stuff that Don Mueller had collected was,
somehow, identified.  Most of this material was stored by Lewis J.
Martin of Franklin... recently deceased.  So, his name may appear on
record.          

Such material may be idenfified as in  Ways and Structures, files.
Don't overlook photographs during your search.  

Trackage and Right of Way drawings, may show plat diensions of these
shelters.                                                   

Good Luck .......   Don L.     



From don0731 at gte.net  Sun Jun 20 17:42:31 2010
From: don0731 at gte.net (Don Ross)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 16:42:31 -0500
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: photos of Hales Corners?
In-Reply-To: <4c1e494c.013adc0a.173a.ffffc8a3@mx.google.com>
References: <25860-4C1D4309-4294@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net>
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Message-ID: <0L4C00FDZ1N7M431@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net>

I have a few of them around 1950.  I just haven't put them into my site yet.
http://donsdepot.donrossgroup.net/
Don

At 12:01 PM 6/20/2010, you wrote:
>I am looking for photo(s) of the Hales Corners interurban station
>from the 1940s.  Does anyone know where I can find them?
>My search of thetransportco.com has come up dry
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From sbgreig_m1 at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 20 22:47:15 2010
From: sbgreig_m1 at yahoo.com (Scott Greig)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 19:47:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: photos of Hales Corners?
In-Reply-To: <17230-4C1E8367-764@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <647342.77282.qm@web65516.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

When did Lew Martin die????
--- On Sun, 6/20/10, Don L. Leistikow <DLeistikow at webtv.net> wrote:

From: Don L. Leistikow <DLeistikow at webtv.net>
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: photos of Hales Corners?
To: milwaukee-electric at lists.dementia.org
Cc: emory1522 at wi.rr.com
Date: Sunday, June 20, 2010, 4:08 PM

Bill S:???As I recall, the Shelters at 27th, 35th, WJ and HC... were
identical.? The Shelter at WJ (long gone) was on the west side of the
Waukesha-Watertown line.? Likely opposite the open bench stucco shelter,
directly opposite on the east side of the Main Line.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 

See one, and you've seen them all.? ? ? ? ? ? 

Anyway, if I am incorrect as to identical structures, then any exceeding
in dimension, would be a simple extension of the design.???So, start
your project by assessing photographs of all of these shelters.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ???

Another way to research is; via the Wisconsin State Historical Society,
in Madison.? All of the stuff that Don Mueller had collected was,
somehow, identified.? Most of this material was stored by Lewis J.
Martin of Franklin... recently deceased.? So, his name may appear on
record.? ? ? ? ? 

Such material may be idenfified as in? Ways and Structures, files.
Don't overlook photographs during your search.? 

Trackage and Right of Way drawings, may show plat diensions of these
shelters.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ???

Good Luck .......???Don L.? ???





From ktjosephson at embarqmail.com  Mon Jun 21 00:39:02 2010
From: ktjosephson at embarqmail.com (Ken and Tracie)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 21:39:02 -0700
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: photos of Hales Corners?
References: <25860-4C1D4309-4294@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net> <4C1D76A2.20209@SWDetroit.com> <4c1e494c.013adc0a.173a.ffffc8a3@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <66EA71820C9A47C6A6406395B8705260@KTJosephson>

These are all I have so far:


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From DLeistikow at webtv.net  Mon Jun 21 11:40:16 2010
From: DLeistikow at webtv.net (Don L. Leistikow)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 10:40:16 -0500
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: photos of Hales Corners?
In-Reply-To: Scott Greig <sbgreig_m1@yahoo.com>'s message of Sun, 20 Jun
	2010 19:47:15 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <17228-4C1F87E0-2872@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net>

Scott:   Lew Martin passed away, not too many months ago.  I have his
death notice somewhere around here.  Will pass the information on to you
when I run across it. April, comes to mind.                                

His wife Delores, did not want overflow crowds at his funeral so, only
Chuck Westerman and I were personally notified of the Funeral service,
proper.  I would hazard a guess that only some 30 persons attended Lew's
funeral service at a Church on Forest Home Avenue nearby Edgerton, Hales
Corners.                          

A very small reception followed at the Restaurant on Broad Street, in
Greendale. 

Don L.            



From x779 at webtv.net  Mon Jun 21 12:00:21 2010
From: x779 at webtv.net (Louis Rugani)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 16:00:21 GMT
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Lew Martin.
Message-ID: <SNT113-DS8F8C6C63808F084B656F498C30@phx.gbl>

Lew Martin's wife may have been reluctant to inform Lew's friends because of the potential expense of the post-funeral luncheon. 

=Lou=

~~~~~~~~~~ **-=\/=-** ~~~~~~~~~~

The opposite of bravery is not cowardice, but conformity.       Robert Anthony


-----Original Message-----
From: Don L. Leistikow
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 10:40 AM
To: milwaukee-electric at lists.dementia.org
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: photos of Hales Corners?

Scott:   Lew Martin passed away, not too many months ago.  I have his
death notice somewhere around here.  Will pass the information on to you
when I run across it. April, comes to mind.                                

His wife Delores, did not want overflow crowds at his funeral so, only
Chuck Westerman and I were personally notified of the Funeral service,
proper.  I would hazard a guess that only some 30 persons attended Lew's
funeral service at a Church on Forest Home Avenue nearby Edgerton, Hales
Corners.                          

A very small reception followed at the Restaurant on Broad Street, in
Greendale. 

Don L.            






From sbgreig_m1 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 21 12:10:23 2010
From: sbgreig_m1 at yahoo.com (Scott Greig)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 09:10:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: photos of Hales Corners?
In-Reply-To: <17228-4C1F87E0-2872@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <84003.37124.qm@web65504.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Thanks for the information, Don.
?
I'm trying to recall something now...his name is significant in my mind regarding Speedrail, but I can't recall why.? Was Lew a survivor of the Labor Day wreck?? Or was he the one who came back from Korea on emergency leave in a vain attempt to save streetcar 607 from being scrapped?
?
Scott.
--- On Mon, 6/21/10, Don L. Leistikow <DLeistikow at webtv.net> wrote:


From: Don L. Leistikow <DLeistikow at webtv.net>
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: photos of Hales Corners?
To: milwaukee-electric at lists.dementia.org
Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 10:40 AM


Scott:???Lew Martin passed away, not too many months ago.? I have his
death notice somewhere around here.? Will pass the information on to you
when I run across it. April, comes to mind.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 

His wife Delores, did not want overflow crowds at his funeral so, only
Chuck Westerman and I were personally notified of the Funeral service,
proper.? I would hazard a guess that only some 30 persons attended Lew's
funeral service at a Church on Forest Home Avenue nearby Edgerton, Hales
Corners.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 

A very small reception followed at the Restaurant on Broad Street, in
Greendale. 

Don L.? ? ? ? ? ? 





From DLeistikow at webtv.net  Mon Jun 21 12:22:34 2010
From: DLeistikow at webtv.net (Don L. Leistikow)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 11:22:34 -0500
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: photos of Hales Corners?
In-Reply-To: "Ken and Tracie" <ktjosephson@embarqmail.com>'s message of Sun, 20 Jun 2010 21:39:02 -0700
Message-ID: <17229-4C1F91CA-2160@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net>

Ken:  Wonderful Photos....  Based upon the process of elimination, the
first photo is of car 1119, loading at HC Station.  The second photo is
of articulated train 1182-83, arriving at the HC Station.           

The letterboard and window spacing of the single car in Pullman Green
paint, are the clues in the first photo.                        

The Speed Striped Duplex is idenfifed by the green stripes ending at the
front corner posts.  This is representative of the second style of
painting as appearing on cars 1121, 1144 and 1182-83.                   

On the balance of the updated repainting, the stripes were brought
forward on the car ends which curved downward on the end panels.  Those
were cars 1111, 1112, 1115, 1116, 1117, 1118, 1123, 1124, 1138, 1141,
1142, 1143, 1190-91 and 1192-93 and 1198-99.  Location of the brass
horns on trains 1190-91 and 1192-93, will identify the above numbered
trains, individually.                                    

Collectivey, add the following numbers to complete a repainting roster:
1120 (the first car repainted in the oft refered to as the Spitball
scheme), then cars with stripes ending at the corner posts were; 1121,
1144 and 1182-83.                           

That completes the repaint roster.             

Don L.      



From x779 at webtv.net  Mon Jun 21 12:41:01 2010
From: x779 at webtv.net (Louis Rugani)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 16:41:01 GMT
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] The Kenosha Electric Railway at Milepost 10.
Message-ID: <SNT113-DS7CDD63FBD667FFB3EF98098C30@phx.gbl>

A decade down the line
City celebrates 10 years of restored trolley service

BY MATTHEW OLSON
molson at kenoshanews.com

The Casolari family of Elk Grove Village, Ill., stepped off the green and white "Chicago" streetcar shortly before noon on Thursday.

"We had heard about the streetcars and the museums and we decided to run up here," Lou Casolari said. "It was very nice and it kind of brought back memories when they used to call it the `Green Hornet' in Chicago. This is beautiful."

Thursday was the first time the Casolari family rode Kenosha's streetcar line, exactly 10 years after the Kenosha residents and visitors got their first chance to ride the restored rails.

Kenosha's streetcar system opened for service on June 17, 2000, traveling a two-mile, 15-minute loop through downtown and, at the time, newly built HarborPark area.

Streetcars ran in Kenosha from the turn of the 20th century until the 1950s, but had laid dormant for about 50 years before the 2000 return.

Jack Doyle, past chairman of the Kenosha Streetcar Society, said the last streetcars running near Kenosha was "Chicago" in the late 1950s. He and others sought to bring back streetcars and ended up finding a partner in Kenosha and former Kenosha Transit Director Joseph McCarthy.

"When they were building HarborPark they were asked if they could build something going through there," Doyle said. "The timing was right because some streetcars just became available and were in great shape. The impossible all came together."


Obtaining cars 

The first two streetcars to operate that day were the maroon and cream "Toronto" car and green and gold "Cincinnati" cars. Three other cars -- the green and white "Chicago," red and cream "Pittsburgh" and orange and white "Johnstown/Kenosha" -- joined several weeks later. All five cars are still in service for the city. All five streetcars were purchased from Toronto in 1997 through a $132,000 federal grant.

Doyle said federal grants also helped place much of the infrastructure for the streetcar system.

"The grants were there because the government was very interested in streetcars at the time," Doyle said.

Brad Preston, the city's streetcar mechanic, said the cars do take some maintenance, such as the new door frames he built himself, but the original fleet has held up very well. A sixth streetcar was purchased by the city in 2007, but has not been put into service.


Thousands ride 

Doyle said he had hoped that the system would be extended by this point; an expansion to the Uptown area had been planned, but said the economic problems of recent years has slowed that effort.

"I thought, 10 years ago, that would have happened by now, but I wasn't looking for the recession," Doyle said. "If we count the recession, I'd say we're doing pretty good."

The numbers would seem to prove that out.

Ridership for the streetcar came in at 56,149 last year. In 2008, the system recorded 65,759 riders and 62,643 people rode the streetcars in 2007. Through May of this year, 14,087 people have rode on the streetcars, though the highest attendance comes during the summer months.


Worldwide interest 

The last 10 years have also brought visits from streetcar enthusiasts from around the world and a number of officials from other cities interested in exploring streetcar systems.

"It's one of the the top three tourist attractions in the city and it's an intricate part of downtown," Kenosha Transit Director Ron Iwen said. "We get people from France, Germany and the U.K. that come to see the streetcar. And there are people who stay here all day to see the streetcars."

But Doyle said the vast majority of riders are simply curious about what they have heard about Kenosha's new look at an old transportation method.

"About 90 percent of the people who ride are not rail fans, but they have heard about it," Doyle said. "No one comes to Kenosha with their kids and family to ride a bus, but they're coming to ride a streetcar."


---------------
?? Copyright Kenosha News. 


=Lou=

~~~~~~~~~~ **-=\/=-** ~~~~~~~~~~

The opposite of bravery is not cowardice, but conformity.       Robert Anthony





From sunrise at bikethehoan.com  Mon Jun 21 23:47:19 2010
From: sunrise at bikethehoan.com (William Sell)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 22:47:19 -0500
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: photos of Hales Corners?
In-Reply-To: <66EA71820C9A47C6A6406395B8705260@KTJosephson>
References: <25860-4C1D4309-4294@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net>
 <4C1D76A2.20209@SWDetroit.com>
 <4c1e494c.013adc0a.173a.ffffc8a3@mx.google.com>
 <66EA71820C9A47C6A6406395B8705260@KTJosephson>
Message-ID: <4c20323a.656edc0a.74cf.fffff1e3@mx.google.com>

Thanks, Ken
These photos are dear to me. Including that white post fence along 
the tracks. That road is and was highway 100 which now takes six 
lanes of Hales Corners.

in MRTHC.JPG I do not remember the white cube building with the 
pyramid roof. That must pre-date my arrival in HC (1944) or my memory.

But the house in the right background is definitely part of the 
scenery - there were at least three residences on that triangle, 
including Senft's Inn, a huge three-story inn for the first night out 
of Milwaukee (19th century).

Anyone know how it was that people were always left off on the right 
side of the train (see photo) when it would have made more sense to 
open the left side and let them access the station side of the 
tracks, where there was more room and safety?  was there only one 
boarding side?

Bill







At 11:39 PM 6/20/2010, you wrote:
>These are all I have so far:
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From sunrise at bikethehoan.com  Mon Jun 21 23:51:17 2010
From: sunrise at bikethehoan.com (William Sell)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 22:51:17 -0500
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Oh, for the crying out loud ...
In-Reply-To: <20100512233723.HRH1T.331099.root@hrndva-web06-z02>
References: <SNT113-DS20B37565C54E587E53ED8D98FB0@phx.gbl>
 <20100512233723.HRH1T.331099.root@hrndva-web06-z02>
Message-ID: <4c203329.0b04dc0a.3ed5.ffffee3e@mx.google.com>

There is a former watering hole for horses on 16th street, a block 
north of Lapham.  Now a flower garden and monument, but it fills the 
triangle made by the streets that run parallel to nearby 
northeast-southwest Muskego Ave.

Bill





At 06:37 PM 5/12/2010, you wrote:
>Louis~
>  tot ally apologize for taking your joke out of context. I have 
> plenty of reasons for my response , but there was absolutely NO 
> reason to offend a fellow trolley lover. I was raised in the final 
> years of the trolley bus. I also kept a sharp eye out for streets 
> that still has visible streetcar rails. I mentioned this before, 
> buy I was kid that watched the initial widening of Water Street 
> (near Laacke and Joys). I saw the removal of the rail and copped a 
> few Milwaukee cobblestones as  souvenirs! If I'd had a camera, I 
> would have taken a few shorts of the drinking fountain for horses 
> that existed in the days when Ogden street ended at  Water!
>Jon


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From DLeistikow at webtv.net  Tue Jun 22 00:30:07 2010
From: DLeistikow at webtv.net (Don L. Leistikow)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 23:30:07 -0500
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: photos of Hales Corners?
In-Reply-To: William Sell <sunrise@bikethehoan.com>'s message of Mon, 21
	Jun 2010 22:47:19 -0500
Message-ID: <17228-4C203C4F-3954@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net>

Bill Sell and list:    TMER&L Interurban Rapid Transit Cars, did not
have doors nor stops on the left side of the cars and duplex trains.                                            

At HC, all passengers disemvbarked on the right rear foor and step.
There was enough room for pasengers to alight there and walk around the
back end of the car.   

Virtually all passengers got off there but, I recall one woman who rode
out to the Hillcrest loop, as she lived in that area.      

Don L.     



From sbgreig_m1 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 22 00:46:39 2010
From: sbgreig_m1 at yahoo.com (Scott Greig)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 21:46:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: photos of Hales Corners?
In-Reply-To: <17228-4C203C4F-3954@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <13017.89841.qm@web65504.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Was riding down to Hillcrest loop allowed in pre-Speedrail days as well? 
My impression was that riding south of Hales Corners station in the TM/Transport Co. era was "Absolutlig Verboten!".

--- On Mon, 6/21/10, Don L. Leistikow <DLeistikow at webtv.net> wrote:

From: Don L. Leistikow <DLeistikow at webtv.net>
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: photos of Hales Corners?
To: milwaukee-electric at lists.dementia.org
Cc: emory1522 at wi.rr.com
Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 11:30 PM

Bill Sell and list:? ? TMER&L Interurban Rapid Transit Cars, did not
have doors nor stops on the left side of the cars and duplex trains.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 

At HC, all passengers disemvbarked on the right rear foor and step.
There was enough room for pasengers to alight there and walk around the
back end of the car.???

Virtually all passengers got off there but, I recall one woman who rode
out to the Hillcrest loop, as she lived in that area.? ? ? 

Don L.? ???





From DLeistikow at webtv.net  Tue Jun 22 03:24:36 2010
From: DLeistikow at webtv.net (Don L. Leistikow)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 02:24:36 -0500
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: photos of Hales Corners?
In-Reply-To: Scott Greig <sbgreig_m1@yahoo.com>'s message of Mon, 21 Jun
	2010 21:46:39 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <19045-4C206534-7424@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net>

An interesting thought, Scott.                     

No one ever told me that passengers  could not ride beyond the HC
Station.   She got on there, too.   Why not?              

Don L.



From sunrise at bikethehoan.com  Tue Jun 22 10:55:52 2010
From: sunrise at bikethehoan.com (William Sell)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 09:55:52 -0500
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: photos of Hales Corners?
In-Reply-To: <13017.89841.qm@web65504.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <17228-4C203C4F-3954@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net>
 <13017.89841.qm@web65504.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4c20cef5.853adc0a.0ad0.ffffff39@mx.google.com>

I never was rode that loop. I don't remember it was forbidden, but, 
hey, did we ask? Probably - I mean Grandma's would give us her pass 
to ride the 16th street bus around the block - a free ride is a ride!!!!
Bill








At 11:46 PM 6/21/2010, you wrote:
>Was riding down to Hillcrest loop allowed in pre-Speedrail days as well?
>My impression was that riding south of Hales Corners station in the 
>TM/Transport Co. era was "Absolutlig Verboten!".
>
>--- On Mon, 6/21/10, Don L. Leistikow <DLeistikow at webtv.net> wrote:
>
>From: Don L. Leistikow <DLeistikow at webtv.net>
>Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: photos of Hales Corners?
>To: milwaukee-electric at lists.dementia.org
>Cc: emory1522 at wi.rr.com
>Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 11:30 PM
>
>Bill Sell and list:    TMER&L Interurban Rapid Transit Cars, did not
>have doors nor stops on the left side of the cars and duplex 
>trains.
>
>At HC, all passengers disemvbarked on the right rear foor and step.
>There was enough room for pasengers to alight there and walk around the
>back end of the car.
>
>Virtually all passengers got off there but, I recall one woman who rode
>out to the Hillcrest loop, as she lived in that area.
>
>Don L.


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From sbgreig_m1 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 22 12:44:17 2010
From: sbgreig_m1 at yahoo.com (Scott Greig)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 09:44:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: photos of Hales Corners?
In-Reply-To: <4c20cef5.853adc0a.0ad0.ffffff39@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <838157.77009.qm@web65511.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

I remember speaking to a couple of people who periodically rode the Hales Corners line in the pre-Speedrail era, and they said the crews made everyone get off at the Hales Corners station.? One of them, a youth at the time,?remembered asking?if he could ride down and back, just to go around?Hillcrest Loop, and was given a curt "No!".
?
One crew DID let him ride down and back, but he had to keep out of sight...the conductor?said that?he and his motorman would be in a?LOT of trouble if they were caught.
--- On Tue, 6/22/10, William Sell <sunrise at bikethehoan.com> wrote:


From: William Sell <sunrise at bikethehoan.com>
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: photos of Hales Corners?
To: milwaukee-electric at lists.dementia.org
Date: Tuesday, June 22, 2010, 9:55 AM


I never was rode that loop. I don't remember it was forbidden, but, 
hey, did we ask? Probably - I mean Grandma's would give us her pass 
to ride the 16th street bus around the block - a free ride is a ride!!!!
Bill








At 11:46 PM 6/21/2010, you wrote:
>Was riding down to Hillcrest loop allowed in pre-Speedrail days as well?
>My impression was that riding south of Hales Corners station in the 
>TM/Transport Co. era was "Absolutlig Verboten!".
>
>--- On Mon, 6/21/10, Don L. Leistikow <DLeistikow at webtv.net> wrote:
>
>From: Don L. Leistikow <DLeistikow at webtv.net>
>Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: photos of Hales Corners?
>To: milwaukee-electric at lists.dementia.org
>Cc: emory1522 at wi.rr.com
>Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 11:30 PM
>
>Bill Sell and list:? ? TMER&L Interurban Rapid Transit Cars, did not
>have doors nor stops on the left side of the cars and duplex 
>trains.
>
>At HC, all passengers disemvbarked on the right rear foor and step.
>There was enough room for pasengers to alight there and walk around the
>back end of the car.
>
>Virtually all passengers got off there but, I recall one woman who rode
>out to the Hillcrest loop, as she lived in that area.
>
>Don L.


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From dickmyers at wi.rr.com  Tue Jun 22 14:33:50 2010
From: dickmyers at wi.rr.com (dickmyers at wi.rr.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 13:33:50 -0500
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: photos of Hales Corners?
In-Reply-To: <838157.77009.qm@web65511.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20100622183350.C3QZ7.25580.root@hrndva-web10-z02>

I Googled "Hillcrest Loop Hales Corners" and came up with this photo on www.thetransportco.com.
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From ktjosephson at embarqmail.com  Tue Jun 22 23:08:48 2010
From: ktjosephson at embarqmail.com (Ken and Tracie)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 20:08:48 -0700
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Another "Before and After" From Larry Allan
References: <838157.77009.qm@web65511.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <83DF445E96E94172A294DEB19820E018@KTJosephson>


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From gSchnabl at SWDetroit.com  Tue Jun 22 23:27:20 2010
From: gSchnabl at SWDetroit.com (Gary Schnabl)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 23:27:20 -0400
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Another "Before and After" From Larry Allan
In-Reply-To: <83DF445E96E94172A294DEB19820E018@KTJosephson>
References: <838157.77009.qm@web65511.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <83DF445E96E94172A294DEB19820E018@KTJosephson>
Message-ID: <4C217F18.9060504@SWDetroit.com>

On 6/22/2010 11:08 PM, Ken and Tracie wrote:
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So, where was that crossing? Off hand, I do not remember that red 
building, as it's been eons since I last was in Mwauky.


-- 

Gary Schnabl
Southwest Detroit, two miles NORTH! of Canada--Windsor, that is...





From DLeistikow at webtv.net  Wed Jun 23 01:53:15 2010
From: DLeistikow at webtv.net (Don L. Leistikow)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 00:53:15 -0500
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Another "Before and
	After" From Larry Allan
In-Reply-To: Gary Schnabl <gSchnabl@SWDetroit.com>'s message of Tue, 22 Jun
	2010 23:27:20 -0400
Message-ID: <11142-4C21A14B-2@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net>

Gary S and list:    The two photos of northbound rubber tired transit
vehicles, were taken looking south on S. 1st Steet from W. Pittsburgh
Street.                         

Actually they were traversing the Street under the MILW passenger line
bridge.  The MILW freight line bridge is in the background.                                              

The Red Brick Building, is still there and is located at the
intersection of S. 1st and W. Oregon Streets.                                   

Don L.     



From sunrise at bikethehoan.com  Wed Jun 23 12:03:05 2010
From: sunrise at bikethehoan.com (William Sell)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 11:03:05 -0500
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Another "Before and After" From Larry
  Allan
In-Reply-To: <83DF445E96E94172A294DEB19820E018@KTJosephson>
References: <838157.77009.qm@web65511.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
 <83DF445E96E94172A294DEB19820E018@KTJosephson>
Message-ID: <4c223027.0b03730a.14ba.0f18@mx.google.com>

I got my head twisted on this one.  I will look at this underpass as 
I bike through it this morning.
But the older bus is headed *north* to Mitchell?  Probably just a 
mistake by the driver.

Bill





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From DLeistikow at webtv.net  Wed Jun 23 14:13:17 2010
From: DLeistikow at webtv.net (Don L. Leistikow)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 13:13:17 -0500
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Another "Before and
	After" From Larry Allan
In-Reply-To: William Sell <sunrise@bikethehoan.com>'s message of Wed, 23
	Jun 2010 11:03:05 -0500
Message-ID: <28664-4C224EBD-253@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net>

Bill Sell:   They're both headed north... at the same location.
Whereas the first photo is apparently of a TT Coach (under the MILW
Passenger line bridge), the second photo shows the MCTC bus north of the
Passenger Line bridge (just south of Pittsburgh Street).                                     

You're thought of the MItchell area, is too far south... the next street
north of Pittsburgh is Seeboth, where S. 1st street ends.  Then the
Milwaukee River Bridge and Water Street, to continue north.          

Don L.     



From woodies4950 at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jun 23 14:56:03 2010
From: woodies4950 at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Mcginty)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 11:56:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Another "Before and After" From Larry Allan
In-Reply-To: <28664-4C224EBD-253@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net>
References: <28664-4C224EBD-253@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <550222.86521.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Don,
I believe Bill was refering to the destination sign on the TT. It? is the wrong sign for a north bound TT. There were times operators would leave the Mitchell sign in. Also if te Garage had been making a change on ra route the mechanic was not aware of which sign to put in and just left the Mitchell pull in sign in and let the operator that took the TT change it. There are a number of reasons.

Joe-Mac




________________________________
From: Don L. Leistikow <DLeistikow at webtv.net>
To: milwaukee-electric at lists.dementia.org
Sent: Wed, June 23, 2010 1:13:17 PM
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Another "Before and After" From Larry Allan

Bill Sell:? They're both headed north... at the same location.
Whereas the first photo is apparently of a TT Coach (under the MILW
Passenger line bridge), the second photo shows the MCTC bus north of the
Passenger Line bridge (just south of Pittsburgh Street).? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 

You're thought of the MItchell area, is too far south... the next street
north of Pittsburgh is Seeboth, where S. 1st street ends.? Then the
Milwaukee River Bridge and Water Street, to continue north.? ? ? ? ? 

Don L.? ? 


From woodies4950 at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jun 23 15:20:43 2010
From: woodies4950 at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Mcginty)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 12:20:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] TT on First St.
Message-ID: <349937.24002.qm@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Don,
Took another look at the TT and noticed it did not have a run number. Could not see who was driving.

JM



From DLeistikow at webtv.net  Wed Jun 23 20:43:19 2010
From: DLeistikow at webtv.net (Don L. Leistikow)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 19:43:19 -0500
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Another "Before and
	After" From Larry Allan
In-Reply-To: Joseph Mcginty <woodies4950@sbcglobal.net>'s message of Wed,
	23 Jun 2010 11:56:03 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <28661-4C22AA27-1167@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net>

Joe-Mac and list:   That analysis was well thought out.   Right out of
Sherlock Holmes stories.... "Elimentary, my dear Watson".                                                   

My 'Webber' is not very sharp.  I tied to read the TT Destination sign
but, couldn't. 

Thanks for the follow through.....  Don L.  



From x779 at webtv.net  Thu Jun 24 10:29:55 2010
From: x779 at webtv.net (Louis Rugani)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 14:29:55 GMT
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Please vote in this WI rail poll:
Message-ID: <SNT113-DS5E6418D36A1502FD5F10598C60@phx.gbl>

http://poll.fm/1r88o Thanks!

=Lou=

~~~~~~~~~~ **-=\/=-** ~~~~~~~~~~

The opposite of bravery is not cowardice, but conformity.       Robert Anthony