From ktjosephson at embarqmail.com  Tue Feb  1 11:12:32 2011
From: ktjosephson at embarqmail.com (Ken and Tracie)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 08:12:32 -0800
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] City Car 825
Message-ID: <06258D9B250845AE943FB5BFCC3BB1B2@KTJosephson>

Based on the residential power line and open wire telephone distribution =
sharing the same poles on the far right, I am guess this photo was taken =
along the Rapid Transit Line west of 68th Street, looking west, taken =
before completion, hence no transmission tower line, no signal nor any =
other circuits.

Some sort of inspection trip? Or perhaps a shuttle for crews working on =
construction?

Just guessing.

K.


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From sbgreig_m1 at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  1 11:19:27 2011
From: sbgreig_m1 at yahoo.com (Scott Greig)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 08:19:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: City Car 825
In-Reply-To: <06258D9B250845AE943FB5BFCC3BB1B2@KTJosephson>
Message-ID: <152315.492.qm@web120715.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Well I see it is signed for West Junction...what has me baffled is that it's got a hang-on headlight, a la the 882 in its final role.
--- On Tue, 2/1/11, Ken and Tracie <ktjosephson at embarqmail.com> wrote:

From: Ken and Tracie <ktjosephson at embarqmail.com>
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] City Car 825
To: milwaukee-electric at lists.dementia.org
Date: Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 10:12 AM
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Based on the residential power line and open wire telephone distribution =
sharing the same poles on the far right, I am guess this photo was taken =
along the Rapid Transit Line west of 68th Street, looking west, taken =
before completion, hence no transmission tower line, no signal nor any =
other circuits.

Some sort of inspection trip? Or perhaps a shuttle for crews working on =
construction?

Just guessing.

K.


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From ktjosephson at embarqmail.com  Tue Feb  1 11:40:24 2011
From: ktjosephson at embarqmail.com (Ken and Tracie)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 08:40:24 -0800
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: City Car 825
References: <152315.492.qm@web120715.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B844157071514DB4A1F974B968BCA2EC@KTJosephson>

I saw the West Junction sign, but the residential power line on the right 
always appears on the north side of the right of way in other photos, unless 
there was an identical along the south side of the right of way.

That noted, I believe city cars used on the interurban "division" for 
whatever reason, carried interurban headlights and markers, such as the 600s 
in local Rapid Transit service and the city cars used on the Lakeside 
Shuttle.

In this shot, the 825 appears to be in the old two man color scheme. We 
could possible pin-point the year based on when 825 was converted one man 
operational status.

K.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Greig" <sbgreig_m1 at yahoo.com>
To: <milwaukee-electric at lists.dementia.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 8:19 AM
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: City Car 825


> Well I see it is signed for West Junction...what has me baffled is that 
> it's got a hang-on headlight, a la the 882 in its final role.
> --- On Tue, 2/1/11, Ken and Tracie <ktjosephson at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Ken and Tracie <ktjosephson at embarqmail.com>
> Subject: [milwaukee-electric] City Car 825
> To: milwaukee-electric at lists.dementia.org
> Date: Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 10:12 AM
>
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> charset="iso-8859-1"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> Based on the residential power line and open wire telephone distribution =
> sharing the same poles on the far right, I am guess this photo was taken =
> along the Rapid Transit Line west of 68th Street, looking west, taken =
> before completion, hence no transmission tower line, no signal nor any =
> other circuits.
>
> Some sort of inspection trip? Or perhaps a shuttle for crews working on =
> construction?
>
> Just guessing.
>
> K.
>
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From DLeistikow at webtv.net  Tue Feb  1 12:16:10 2011
From: DLeistikow at webtv.net (Don L. Leistikow)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 11:16:10 -0600
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: City Car 825
In-Reply-To: "Ken and Tracie" <ktjosephson@embarqmail.com>'s message of Tue, 1 Feb 2011 08:12:32 -0800
Message-ID: <20808-4D483FDA-5652@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net>

Ken and list:  Several clues may be drawn that contribute to the general
date and location.                                                   

I see only one wire.... fresh ballast..... and ascending ground
indicating a cut'.  Car 825 doesn't have a Square Route Sign box.so, I
conclude that the year is 1926 and the location is just north of
Greenfield Avenue   Furthermore, I suggest that this is the same
location where one or more of the 1111 - 1214 Inspection Trip series of
photos were taken.                                

Route Sign boxes on City Cars, were introduced in 1927.                                   

The 825 may well be on a feasability trip, to determine if City Cars
could operate the Local Service on the LRT, when in service along with
the High Speed 1100's. 

It was not until 1931, that three of the Milwaukee Northern cars were
shopped and reconfigured for double end operation, with folding doors
and walkover seats   These became cars 1102, 1103 and 1104.  


Of special note is that the 1103 had been Milwaukee Northern's 51 and
previous to that it was Gary Railways 401 and had originally been built
for the Chicago New York Air Line as their 102.                         

Don L.       



From ktjosephson at embarqmail.com  Tue Feb  1 13:22:30 2011
From: ktjosephson at embarqmail.com (Ken and Tracie)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 10:22:30 -0800
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: City Car 825
References: <20808-4D483FDA-5652@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <A01EB388CA0942BE9FA78189EB934D47@KTJosephson>

Here's a shot of  the 1111-1214 trip.
K.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don L. Leistikow" <DLeistikow at webtv.net>
To: <milwaukee-electric at lists.dementia.org>
Cc: <emory1522 at wi.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 9:16 AM
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: City Car 825


> Ken and list:  Several clues may be drawn that contribute to the general
> date and location.
>
> I see only one wire.... fresh ballast..... and ascending ground
> indicating a cut'.  Car 825 doesn't have a Square Route Sign box.so, I
> conclude that the year is 1926 and the location is just north of
> Greenfield Avenue   Furthermore, I suggest that this is the same
> location where one or more of the 1111 - 1214 Inspection Trip series of
> photos were taken.
>
> Route Sign boxes on City Cars, were introduced in 1927.
>
> The 825 may well be on a feasability trip, to determine if City Cars
> could operate the Local Service on the LRT, when in service along with
> the High Speed 1100's.
>
> It was not until 1931, that three of the Milwaukee Northern cars were
> shopped and reconfigured for double end operation, with folding doors
> and walkover seats   These became cars 1102, 1103 and 1104.
>
>
> Of special note is that the 1103 had been Milwaukee Northern's 51 and
> previous to that it was Gary Railways 401 and had originally been built
> for the Chicago New York Air Line as their 102.
>
> Don L.
>
> 


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From sbgreig_m1 at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  1 13:18:31 2011
From: sbgreig_m1 at yahoo.com (Scott Greig)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 10:18:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: City Car 825
In-Reply-To: <20808-4D483FDA-5652@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <906889.45452.qm@web120719.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Are there any other known instances (besides this picture and the Lakeside shuttle cars) where a Milwaukee city car was fitted with a hang-on interurban headlight?
--- On Tue, 2/1/11, Don L. Leistikow <DLeistikow at webtv.net> wrote:

From: Don L. Leistikow <DLeistikow at webtv.net>
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: City Car 825
To: milwaukee-electric at lists.dementia.org
Cc: emory1522 at wi.rr.com
Date: Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 11:16 AM

Ken and list:? Several clues may be drawn that contribute to the general
date and location.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ???

I see only one wire.... fresh ballast..... and ascending ground
indicating a cut'.? Car 825 doesn't have a Square Route Sign box.so, I
conclude that the year is 1926 and the location is just north of
Greenfield Avenue???Furthermore, I suggest that this is the same
location where one or more of the 1111 - 1214 Inspection Trip series of
photos were taken.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 

Route Sign boxes on City Cars, were introduced in 1927.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ???

The 825 may well be on a feasability trip, to determine if City Cars
could operate the Local Service on the LRT, when in service along with
the High Speed 1100's. 

It was not until 1931, that three of the Milwaukee Northern cars were
shopped and reconfigured for double end operation, with folding doors
and walkover seats???These became cars 1102, 1103 and 1104.? 


Of special note is that the 1103 had been Milwaukee Northern's 51 and
previous to that it was Gary Railways 401 and had originally been built
for the Chicago New York Air Line as their 102.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ???

Don L.? ? ???





From ktjosephson at embarqmail.com  Tue Feb  1 13:43:17 2011
From: ktjosephson at embarqmail.com (Ken and Tracie)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 10:43:17 -0800
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: City Car 825
References: <906889.45452.qm@web120719.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B1DFDB4F3E8C40A79C41DC647EA38651@KTJosephson>

One of the histories of TM indicated that the 600s used as local Rapid 
Transit cars were painted in interurban colors and used interurban 
headlights and markers.

K.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Greig" <sbgreig_m1 at yahoo.com>
To: <milwaukee-electric at lists.dementia.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 10:18 AM
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: City Car 825


> Are there any other known instances (besides this picture and the Lakeside 
> shuttle cars) where a Milwaukee city car was fitted with a hang-on 
> interurban headlight?
> --- On Tue, 2/1/11, Don L. Leistikow <DLeistikow at webtv.net> wrote:
>
> From: Don L. Leistikow <DLeistikow at webtv.net>
> Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: City Car 825
> To: milwaukee-electric at lists.dementia.org
> Cc: emory1522 at wi.rr.com
> Date: Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 11:16 AM
>
> Ken and list: Several clues may be drawn that contribute to the general
> date and location.
>
> I see only one wire.... fresh ballast..... and ascending ground
> indicating a cut'. Car 825 doesn't have a Square Route Sign box.so, I
> conclude that the year is 1926 and the location is just north of
> Greenfield Avenue Furthermore, I suggest that this is the same
> location where one or more of the 1111 - 1214 Inspection Trip series of
> photos were taken.
>
> Route Sign boxes on City Cars, were introduced in 1927.
>
> The 825 may well be on a feasability trip, to determine if City Cars
> could operate the Local Service on the LRT, when in service along with
> the High Speed 1100's.
>
> It was not until 1931, that three of the Milwaukee Northern cars were
> shopped and reconfigured for double end operation, with folding doors
> and walkover seats These became cars 1102, 1103 and 1104.
>
>
> Of special note is that the 1103 had been Milwaukee Northern's 51 and
> previous to that it was Gary Railways 401 and had originally been built
> for the Chicago New York Air Line as their 102.
>
> Don L.
>
>
>
> 



From DLeistikow at webtv.net  Tue Feb  1 17:49:48 2011
From: DLeistikow at webtv.net (Don L. Leistikow)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 16:49:48 -0600
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: City Car 825
In-Reply-To: "Ken and Tracie" <ktjosephson@embarqmail.com>'s message of Tue, 1 Feb 2011 10:43:17 -0800
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From: DLeistikow at webtv.net (Don L. Leistikow)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 17:11:59 -0600
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: City Car 825
In-Reply-To: Scott Greig <sbgreig_m1@yahoo.com>'s message of Tue, 1 Feb
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From: DLeistikow at webtv.net (Don L. Leistikow)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 17:17:43 -0600
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: City Car 825
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