From sunrise at bikethehoan.com  Sun Jan  2 21:38:48 2011
From: sunrise at bikethehoan.com (William Sell)
Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2011 20:38:48 -0600
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Wauwatosa or West Allis?
In-Reply-To: <0LDZ004IFX2CGLO1@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <4D162970.2050101@SWDetroit.com>
 <0LDZ004IFX2CGLO1@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <4d214828.5145e50a.5ef1.22ce@mx.google.com>

thanks,, Don

love these photos, and am alive to remember all this

Bill

At 12:08 PM 12/25/2010, you wrote:
>Here is the original and the information
>http://donsdepot.donrossgroup.net/dr1119.htm
>Don
>
>
>At 11:27 AM 12/25/2010, you wrote:
> >The caption says the site for the streetcar was somewhere in Wauwatosa.
> >However, might that Texaco station be on South 70th Street in West
> >Allis? If in Wauwatosa, where might its site be?
> >http://www.sfu.ca/person/dearmond/argu/Milw-car-998a.jpg
> >--
> >
> >Gary Schnabl
> >Southwest Detroit, two miles NORTH! of Canada--Windsor, that is...

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^.
"Let us put our minds together, and see what life we will make for 
our children." ---Tatanka-Iyotanka (Sitting Bull)  --- Hunkpapa Lakota chief  



From ktjosephson at embarqmail.com  Wed Jan  5 11:27:32 2011
From: ktjosephson at embarqmail.com (Ken and Tracie)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 08:27:32 -0800
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: milwaukee bus fares in 1969
References: <4D14E995.3060201@vorza.com>
Message-ID: <BE438E260F544511ACADA1ED0B955D43@KTJosephson>

A Belated Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, John.
I apologize for my delay in replying.

I need to check, but I believe the adult fare during 1969 was a quarter. Transfers were free, but had a time limit. There were "zone fares", which you paid beyond certain locations on some lines. I need to check and see if I have a 1969 transit map, which shows where the zone boundaries were located. 

You would pay your base fare and obtain a transfer, if necessary, upon entering a bus. Then you would pay the supplemental zone fare upon exiting after the bus entered an outer zone.

I am cc-ing this to the Milwaukee Electric discussion list to see if somebody can provide definitive answers.

Regards,

K.


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John Vorhaus 
  To: ktjosephson at embarqmail.com 
  Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 10:42 AM
  Subject: milwaukee bus fares in 1969


  Hi there. Any idea how much it would've cost to ride a bus from the near Milwaukee suburbs to a downtown main bus station in 1969? Research question for a novel. Thanks. -jv

  -- 

  website:

  www.johnvorhaus.com

  blog:

  www.johnvorhaus.com/blog

  twitter:

  @TrueFactBarFact 



From yance at oldmilwaukee.net  Wed Jan  5 11:39:45 2011
From: yance at oldmilwaukee.net (Y Marti)
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 11:39:45 -0500
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: milwaukee bus fares in 1969
In-Reply-To: <BE438E260F544511ACADA1ED0B955D43@KTJosephson>
References: <4D14E995.3060201@vorza.com>
 <BE438E260F544511ACADA1ED0B955D43@KTJosephson>
Message-ID: <20110105113945.11693vnrom8oul8g@horde.oldmilwaukee.net>

This article from 1968 shows the rate increases which went into effect  
in September of that year:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=IAMqAAAAIBAJ&sjid=CygEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4746,1571021&dq=bus+zones&hl=en

35 cents for an adult. I would imagine there were no increases for  
several years after this. The article also tells of the zones.

Yance Marti

Quoting Ken and Tracie <ktjosephson at embarqmail.com>:

> A Belated Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, John.
> I apologize for my delay in replying.
>
> I need to check, but I believe the adult fare during 1969 was a  
> quarter. Transfers were free, but had a time limit. There were "zone  
> fares", which you paid beyond certain locations on some lines. I  
> need to check and see if I have a 1969 transit map, which shows  
> where the zone boundaries were located.
>
> You would pay your base fare and obtain a transfer, if necessary,  
> upon entering a bus. Then you would pay the supplemental zone fare  
> upon exiting after the bus entered an outer zone.
>
> I am cc-ing this to the Milwaukee Electric discussion list to see if  
> somebody can provide definitive answers.
>
> Regards,
>
> K.
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: John Vorhaus
>   To: ktjosephson at embarqmail.com
>   Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 10:42 AM
>   Subject: milwaukee bus fares in 1969
>
>
>   Hi there. Any idea how much it would've cost to ride a bus from  
> the near Milwaukee suburbs to a downtown main bus station in 1969?  
> Research question for a novel. Thanks. -jv
>
>   --
>
>   website:
>
>   www.johnvorhaus.com
>
>   blog:
>
>   www.johnvorhaus.com/blog
>
>   twitter:
>
>   @TrueFactBarFact
>
>
>




From ktjosephson at embarqmail.com  Thu Jan  6 11:11:21 2011
From: ktjosephson at embarqmail.com (Ken and Tracie)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 08:11:21 -0800
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: milwaukee bus fares in 1969
References: <4D14E995.3060201@vorza.com> <BE438E260F544511ACADA1ED0B955D43@KTJosephson> <20110105113945.11693vnrom8oul8g@horde.oldmilwaukee.net>
Message-ID: <7C08A42965714D59B11D4AB2ABB2A920@KTJosephson>

Thanks so much, Yance.

K.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Y Marti" <yance at oldmilwaukee.net>
To: <milwaukee-electric at lists.dementia.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 8:39 AM
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: milwaukee bus fares in 1969


> This article from 1968 shows the rate increases which went into effect
> in September of that year:
>
> http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=IAMqAAAAIBAJ&sjid=CygEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4746,1571021&dq=bus+zones&hl=en
>
> 35 cents for an adult. I would imagine there were no increases for
> several years after this. The article also tells of the zones.
>
> Yance Marti
>
> Quoting Ken and Tracie <ktjosephson at embarqmail.com>:
>
>> A Belated Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, John.
>> I apologize for my delay in replying.
>>
>> I need to check, but I believe the adult fare during 1969 was a
>> quarter. Transfers were free, but had a time limit. There were "zone
>> fares", which you paid beyond certain locations on some lines. I
>> need to check and see if I have a 1969 transit map, which shows
>> where the zone boundaries were located.
>>
>> You would pay your base fare and obtain a transfer, if necessary,
>> upon entering a bus. Then you would pay the supplemental zone fare
>> upon exiting after the bus entered an outer zone.
>>
>> I am cc-ing this to the Milwaukee Electric discussion list to see if
>> somebody can provide definitive answers.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> K.
>>
>>
>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>   From: John Vorhaus
>>   To: ktjosephson at embarqmail.com
>>   Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 10:42 AM
>>   Subject: milwaukee bus fares in 1969
>>
>>
>>   Hi there. Any idea how much it would've cost to ride a bus from
>> the near Milwaukee suburbs to a downtown main bus station in 1969?
>> Research question for a novel. Thanks. -jv
>>
>>   --
>>
>>   website:
>>
>>   www.johnvorhaus.com
>>
>>   blog:
>>
>>   www.johnvorhaus.com/blog
>>
>>   twitter:
>>
>>   @TrueFactBarFact
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> 



From ktjosephson at embarqmail.com  Thu Jan  6 12:36:52 2011
From: ktjosephson at embarqmail.com (Ken and Tracie)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 09:36:52 -0800
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] More Wauwatosa Images
References: <4D14E995.3060201@vorza.com> <BE438E260F544511ACADA1ED0B955D43@KTJosephson> <20110105113945.11693vnrom8oul8g@horde.oldmilwaukee.net> <7C08A42965714D59B11D4AB2ABB2A920@KTJosephson>
Message-ID: <7800568DACE24774B5DC5FFF8DA500C8@KTJosephson>

The two photos taken at the Harwood Avenue terminal were taken a year or two 
apart. 

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From sbgreig_m1 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  7 12:34:18 2011
From: sbgreig_m1 at yahoo.com (Scott Greig)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 09:34:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Speaking of old days at East Troy....
In-Reply-To: <462E638B5EB04D25BFBDA45223360D95@KTJosephson>
Message-ID: <775667.83466.qm@web120707.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Do you recall an ET motorman (supposedly a former NS motorman) by the name of Dave White?  He was a truck driver for Specter Freight.


From sbgreig_m1 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  7 12:35:55 2011
From: sbgreig_m1 at yahoo.com (Scott Greig)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 09:35:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Sorry about that last email....
In-Reply-To: <7800568DACE24774B5DC5FFF8DA500C8@KTJosephson>
Message-ID: <455861.53622.qm@web120715.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

That was supposed to go to Ken's email.  Seems I forgot to do a little cut-and-paste in the "To" line....


From DLeistikow at webtv.net  Fri Jan  7 13:48:49 2011
From: DLeistikow at webtv.net (Don L. Leistikow)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 12:48:49 -0600
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Speaking of old days at East Troy....
In-Reply-To: Scott Greig <sbgreig_m1@yahoo.com>'s message of Fri, 7 Jan
	2011 09:34:18 -0800 (PST)
Message-ID: <21187-4D276011-2468@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net>

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From DLeistikow at webtv.net  Fri Jan  7 13:52:07 2011
From: DLeistikow at webtv.net (Don L. Leistikow)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 12:52:07 -0600
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Sorry about that last email....
In-Reply-To: Scott Greig <sbgreig_m1@yahoo.com>'s message of Fri, 7 Jan
	2011 09:35:55 -0800 (PST)
Message-ID: <21191-4D2760D7-486@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net>

Scott and list:   Okay.... no harm done.   It is fitting for your email
message to go out on list.   Much more information is thus obtained.                                                  

Don



From sbgreig_m1 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  7 14:19:52 2011
From: sbgreig_m1 at yahoo.com (Scott Greig)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 11:19:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Speaking of old days at East Troy....
In-Reply-To: <21187-4D276011-2468@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <108897.49393.qm@web120719.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

So he was a Milwaukee streetcar motorman, not North Shore?

Were there any other ex-North Shore guys that put in time at East Troy besides Don DeVuyst and the late George Borgman?

--- On Fri, 1/7/11, Don L. Leistikow <DLeistikow at webtv.net> wrote:

> From: Don L. Leistikow <DLeistikow at webtv.net>
> Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Speaking of old days at East Troy....
> To: milwaukee-electric at lists.dementia.org
> Cc: emory1522 at wi.rr.com
> Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 12:48 PM
> Scott and list:???I
> remember Dave White, quite well.? He was a stalwart
> motorman, formerly with TM on the 15 Line.? ?
> ? ? ? ? ? 
> Dave's longtime girl friend (name?) was also out there with
> him and was
> the (almost) resident Ticket Seller at Phantom Woods.?
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> ???
> 
> Weekend wrap-ups usually ended with dropping the power at
> about 8:00 pm.
> Then Dave (+) girl friend, myself and any others.... would
> 'go to beans'
> at one of the three local Restaurant's.? I don't
> remember the names
> (Javell's on CTH J comes to mind), another on Beulah Lake
> west of Beulah
> Siding and the Restaurant west of the East Troy Village
> Square along
> then HY 15 (now ES).? All three very good eating
> places.? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 
> 
> Yes, Dave was a Semi-truck Driver for Spector Motor
> Freight.? His run
> was between Milwaukee and Akron, Ohio, a central point
> where LCL (less
> than carload) shipments were resorted and then reforwarded
> to other
> Spector Terminals, system wide.? ? ? ?
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> ???
> 
> I doubt that he ever married his longtime gril friend. His
> residence was
> in a Motel off of Layton Avenie just west of 27th
> street.? As I recall,
> the Spector Freight Terminal was just down the Road from
> there.? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> ? ? ? ???
> 
> Dave White died a couple of decades ago. 
> 
> Don L.? ???
> 
> 
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From DLeistikow at webtv.net  Sat Jan  8 06:42:31 2011
From: DLeistikow at webtv.net (Don L. Leistikow)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 05:42:31 -0600
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Speaking of old days at East Troy....
In-Reply-To: Scott Greig <sbgreig_m1@yahoo.com>'s message of Fri, 7 Jan
	2011 11:19:52 -0800 (PST)
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From ktjosephson at embarqmail.com  Sat Jan  8 10:17:37 2011
From: ktjosephson at embarqmail.com (Ken and Tracie)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 07:17:37 -0800
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Speaking of old days at East Troy....
References: <108897.49393.qm@web120719.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <369E00901B954E4A95AC05DAD41B13B3@KTJosephson>

Hank Bykirk ran the cars back then. And yes, I knew Dave. I would sometimes 
be a crewman for him. I liked both Dave and his girlfriend. Great people.

K.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Greig" <sbgreig_m1 at yahoo.com>
To: <milwaukee-electric at lists.dementia.org>
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 11:19 AM
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Speaking of old days at East Troy....


> So he was a Milwaukee streetcar motorman, not North Shore?
>
> Were there any other ex-North Shore guys that put in time at East Troy 
> besides Don DeVuyst and the late George Borgman?
>
> --- On Fri, 1/7/11, Don L. Leistikow <DLeistikow at webtv.net> wrote:
>
>> From: Don L. Leistikow <DLeistikow at webtv.net>
>> Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: Speaking of old days at East Troy....
>> To: milwaukee-electric at lists.dementia.org
>> Cc: emory1522 at wi.rr.com
>> Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 12:48 PM
>> Scott and list: I
>> remember Dave White, quite well. He was a stalwart
>> motorman, formerly with TM on the 15 Line.
>>
>> Dave's longtime girl friend (name?) was also out there with
>> him and was
>> the (almost) resident Ticket Seller at Phantom Woods.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Weekend wrap-ups usually ended with dropping the power at
>> about 8:00 pm.
>> Then Dave (+) girl friend, myself and any others.... would
>> 'go to beans'
>> at one of the three local Restaurant's. I don't
>> remember the names
>> (Javell's on CTH J comes to mind), another on Beulah Lake
>> west of Beulah
>> Siding and the Restaurant west of the East Troy Village
>> Square along
>> then HY 15 (now ES). All three very good eating
>> places.
>>
>>
>> Yes, Dave was a Semi-truck Driver for Spector Motor
>> Freight. His run
>> was between Milwaukee and Akron, Ohio, a central point
>> where LCL (less
>> than carload) shipments were resorted and then reforwarded
>> to other
>> Spector Terminals, system wide.
>>
>>
>>
>> I doubt that he ever married his longtime gril friend. His
>> residence was
>> in a Motel off of Layton Avenie just west of 27th
>> street. As I recall,
>> the Spector Freight Terminal was just down the Road from
>> there.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dave White died a couple of decades ago.
>>
>> Don L.
>>
>>
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From gSchnabl at SWDetroit.com  Sat Jan 15 17:29:21 2011
From: gSchnabl at SWDetroit.com (Gary Schnabl)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 17:29:21 -0500
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] 1902 Town of Wauwatosa address
Message-ID: <4D321FC1.4040306@SWDetroit.com>

Does anyone know where the 1902 address--881 28th Street might have 
been? I am not totally certain of the hundred block being 800, but that 
is what it appears to be on an Ellis Island ship manifest.

The 1901 Milwaukee map shows that 28th Street was not platted north of 
either Townsend or Keefe 
(http://www4.uwm.edu/libraries/digilib/zoom/am000169.cfm). Back then, 
27th Street was named Washington Avenue--apparently very near the 
easternmost part of the unincorporated Town of Wauwatosa. The one block 
that was platted between 27th and 28th and between Townsend and Keefe 
most likely belonged to the AO Smith Company in 1901.


Gary
-- 

Gary Schnabl
Southwest Detroit, two miles NORTH! of Canada--Windsor, that is...





From rso1000 at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 18 11:37:17 2011
From: rso1000 at hotmail.com (Ron Smolen)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 10:37:17 -0600
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Electroliner photos
In-Reply-To: <BAY134-W1061A2A133058F3A788C4AA0F70@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY134-W1061A2A133058F3A788C4AA0F70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY134-W29F7253D0D3890E80A27E9A0F70@phx.gbl>
















This was posted on the 3rd rail group to show progress on CA&E 315.

Scroll down a bit farther to "  MAY 2010  "   photos  

to see the Electroliner / Liberty Liner out for some fresh air.



http://www.rockhilltrolley.org/p/news2010.php






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