[milwaukee-electric] National City Lines convictions.

[Louis Rugani]

Gary Schnabl writes:

"Are there those still blaming GM et al. for the demise of traction?  ... But, come on! How serious could the conspiracy have been if the penalty meted out was $5000, plus $1 for every convicted person?"

I stated facts. Those convictions followed lengthy court battles.  The tiny fines show the depth of the conspiracy. GM spent years and millions trying to overturn those convictions and its $5,000 fine. That tells me a lot.

"Traction was doomed to failure as their cities became suburbanized."

Traction is back and getting bigger each year. 

And nothing personal, Mr. Schnabl, but your following arguments below are fallacious and right out of the current anti-railers' songbook as sung by Randal OToole, Wendell Cox and Tom Rubin:

"Traction may be cheaper to run, but their capital construction costs are very high per mile. Buses are not serial, meaning that if a bus breaks down enroute, the system does not. And buses can easily be rerouted in 
case a major (or minor) fire or traffic situation ties up the ROW for hours or days. There can be no real denying that. Plus, most or all of those traction systems were broke--or getting there. Time to let it go."

Traction advocates, such as those who populate this list, will never "let it go", lest it happen again. 

=Lou=

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The opposite of bravery is not cowardice, but conformity.       Robert Anthony


-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Schnabl
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 1:31 PM
To: milwaukee-electric at lists.dementia.org
Subject: [milwaukee-electric] Re: 1949: National City Lines conspirators are convicted.

On 3/19/2011 1:59 PM, Louis Rugani wrote:
> On this day in 1949: National City Lines conspirators are convicted.
>
> Location: United States Federal Court
>
> Following a nearly two-year court process, on March 19th, 1949 nine American corporations and seven individuals were  convicted under federal charges of one count each of conspiring to monopolize part of American trade and commerce: National City Lines (and E. Roy Fitzgerald&  Foster C. Beamsley) American City Lines, Pacific City Lines, General Motors (and H.C. Grossman)Standard Oil of California (and Henry C. Judd), Federal Engineering Corporation, Phillips Petroleum Corporation (and A.M. Hughes&  Frank B. Stradley), Firestone Tire and Rubber Company (and L.R. Jackson), and Mack (Truck) Mfg.

Are there those still blaming GM et al. for the demise of traction? 
[BTW, although GM's HQ is but five miles east from here, I have no love 
for the company and wish it to ultimately fail due to its obaminations.] 
But, come on! How serious could the conspiracy have been if the penalty 
meted out was $5000, plus $1 for every convicted person?

Traction was doomed to failure as their cities became suburbanized. 
Traction may be cheaper to run, but their capital construction costs are 
very high per mile. Buses are not serial, meaning that if a bus breaks 
down enroute, the system does not. And buses can easily be rerouted in 
case a major (or minor) fire or traffic situation ties up the ROW for 
hours or days. There can be no real denying that. Plus, most or all of 
those traction systems were broke--or getting there.

Time to let it go.
-- 

Gary Schnabl
Southwest Detroit, two miles NORTH! of Canada--Windsor, that is...

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