Pittsburgh Rys 101

[Robert E. Rathke]

If I may step aside from the ongoing discussion for a moment...

In 1964, one of PAT's arguments for a single transit system in Allegheny
County was that it would eliminate the visual confusion of the 2-1/2
dozen paint schemes of the former provate transit companies, and replace
them with one unified paint scheme (PAT's).  After the Mod Desire car and
numerous two-color variations of PAT's vertical paint scheme in the early
1970's, I always thought it was ironic that the system was reverting to
the pre-1964 street scene.

Bob Rathke 7/13


On Tue, 13 Jul 1999 11:50:51 -0700 Jim Holland <pghpcc at pacbell.net>
writes:
>Greetings!
>
>EDWARD H. LYBARGER wrote:
>> 
>> I would agree with everything Ken wrote!
>
>> But the ultimate point is that we can't call people "evil" simply 
>for
>> eliminating streetcars!
>
>Ken Josephson responded:
>
>> > No, but we can call them abusive IF the public funding their 
>operation
>> > are ridiculed for opposing their plans or are intimidated into 
>accepting
>> > what the public agency claims IT wants for the public rather than 
>what
>> > the public wants from it. Ken J.
>
>Jim Holland originally wrote:
>
>> 10)  Was Geissenheimer responsible for the bizarre paint schemes in 
>the
>> 1970's?
>
>        Believe so!  At first I wasn't too keen about the change but 
>it did
>bring about a positive public image - many riders knew the cars by 
>name and
>number!
>        The ({[PAT gray]}) paint scheme is symbolic of everything evil 
>in PAT
>and is akin to *devil red* as far as I am concerned. 
>
>	And when taken to task about **"everything evil in PAT"** - I 
>explained the same 
>things that Kenny explained - the things that Ed agrees with - that 
>the methods used by 
>PAT were underhanded.  Ed twisted the statement **"everything evil in 
>PAT"** into 
>**"eliminating streetcars."**.  The latter was the end result of 
>({[PAT's]}) evil 
>actions.  I have acknowledged  ALL  ALONG  DURING  THIS  DISCUSSION  
>that streetcars have 
>seen their day and are now taking their place in history - I have 
>acknowledged all along 
>that the end for streetcars is here.  But  I  DO  NOT  LIKE  THE  EVIL 
> METHODS  
>({[PAT]})  USED  TO  ACHIEVE  THIS  END.
>
>Ed Lybarger has also said::
>> No one holds a monopoly on abuse of power.
>
>	Therefore, I can assume that ({[PAT]}) abused power as well 
>(evil).
>	I can also assume that  --  since what I personally said is 
>the same that Ken 
>Josephson said  --  Ed also agrees with what I said  --  even though 
>he can't say so 
>directly!
>
>-- 
>James B. Holland
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>of 1953
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