Route 9, 8, PHB&NC

[Vigrass, Bill]

I kinda think old Bion J. Arnold got mixed up between Charles Street line
and Charles Street Transfer.  Six cars, even short single truckers, on that
hill at the same time would have created quite a lot of traffic!  I bet the
substation couldn't handle all six going uphill at once.  My guess is that
both routes shared the same car assignments.  Like 5 on the route and 1 on
the shuttle, or something like that.   Just a guess.   Bill V.  

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	From:  Donald Galt [SMTP:galtfd at att.net]
	Sent:  Tuesday, November 09, 1999 3:30 PM
	To:  pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
	Subject:  RE: Route 9, 8, PHB&NC

	On 9 Nov 99, at 13:38, Fred Schneider wrote:

	> By the way, Route 9 was not always a transfer route.  I remember
an old
	> Pittsburgh map that my father had that showed two different routes
to
	> the old Charles Street carhouse.  Route 7 Charles Street ran
through
	> Manchester.  Route 9 came out Federal Street and Perrysville
Avenue from
	> downtown, then turned down the Charles Street hill.

	The Arnold report, tabulating ridership statistics for 21 February
1910, 
	shows 109-Charles Street and 110-Charles Street Transfer (the
numbering 
	system in the Arnold report is a mystery to me.)

	The report lists the round-trip mileage of route 110 as 1.25 miles,
plus .66 
	miles "dead" mileage. A mile and a quarter is essentially the
distance from 
	Irwin Street to Perrysville Avenue and back. Route 109, with a round
trip 
	mileage of 6.22 miles, has the same .66 mi dead mileage, which more
or 
	less corresponds to the distance from Irwin Street to Charles St.
Carhouse.

	Six 19' 3" cars are shown assigned to Charles Street Transfer - this
seems 
	mightily puzzling!

	Onward:

	My 1930 street map shows Charles Street Transfer as a separate route
so 
	named.

	This map lists all the "transfer" routes unnumbered - Schoenville,
Thornburg, 
	Shadeland, Rebecca, to name just a handful. I had always assumed
that 
	these shuttles didn't receive numbers until much later.

	D2