Interurban 1600s

[Jim Holland]

Greetings!

Edward H. Lybarger wrote:
> 
> We have photos of 1613 and 14 early on, so we could likely verify the facts.
> Someday when I get time...

	Ed - you'll notice that my last comment is followed by <VBG> - my first
use of that computerese phrase meaning Very Big Grin.  I, also, have
some very early photos of 1613 and 1614 and they definitely do not have
roof lights.  Have a photo from Cliff Scholes of 1648 in downtown
Washington in the summer of 1948 sans roof light.
	I included the comment about the man switching cameras and thus being
certain about the date he saw the streetcars with roof lights because
this is so typical of us *Trolley Jollies* - history is written
according to our own personal experience - Dave is just going to have to
change those dates to fit!
	I have found that our *inhumanity* abhors facts - we thrive on gossip
and heresay.  While this has always been true, that point is driven home
on the net where we communicate with people we would never otherwise
know and that effect is more concentrated and more obvious because it
comes from a wide range of areas!
	But honestly, I most definitely do believe Dave's dates.  It  IS
interesting to note that the 16s received the lights after all the 17s
were in service!

> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> [mailto:owner-pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org]On Behalf Of Jim Holland
> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 5:32 AM
> To: Dave Hamley
> Cc: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> Subject: Re: Interurban 1600s
> 
> Greetings!
> 
> Dave Hamley wrote:
> >
> > Here's the data being sought earlier today:
> >
> > Dates of conversion to interurban service:
> >
> > 1613    12-45
> > 1614    5-20-46
> > 1615    1-20-48
> > 1616    1-26-48
> > 1617    2-2-48
> > 1618    2-3-48
> > 1619    2-15-48
> > 1644    2-3-48, back to city service 5-19-49
> > 1645    5-14-48
> > 1646    2-25-48
> > 1647    3-4-48
> > 1648    3-15-48
> >
> >
> > The roof headlights were installed between 3-26-49 and 5-5-49.
> >
> > Dave Hamley
> 
>         Fascinating, Dave!  THANKS for taking the time to find this
> information; Ed had mentioned he forwarded the request to you.  You had
> sent me the dates of conversion for the interurban cars earlier.
> 
>         A 3.26 - 5.5 of 1949 date for installation of the roof headlights on
> the 1600 series interurbans is after all the 1700 series interurbans
> were in service!
> 
>         It is interesting but this subject came up on another trolley list.
> Someone mentioned that they were in Pgh about 1946-7 and they were
> waiting for the Washington interurban and were disappointed to see *one
> of those PCCs with the roof light* come along and being forced to ride
> that!  I mentioned that the roof lights did not debut until late 1948 or
> 1949 but they insisted it was 46-47 because that is when he got to use
> his dad's camera for the first time instead of his own Brownie.  'Fraid
> your dates might be wrong, Dave! <VBG>  ;>]
> 
> James B. Holland
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James B. Holland
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