More "Carbarn Sally" Pix on Dave's
Robert E. Rathke
brathke at juno.com
Sun Nov 21 12:56:48 EST 1999
Bill,
I was just re-reading some of my old e-mail, about the same time that I
found some photos from another trolley fan that I knew from Lakewood in
the mid-60's. Did you know Ted Taetsch? He lived on an east-west street
in the 14200 block which was only a short distance from my apartment on
Elbur Avenue (13700, I believe).
Bob 11/21
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On Wed, 6 Oct 1999 08:50:57 -0400 "Vigrass, Bill"
<billvigrass at hillintl.com> writes:
>Thanks for verifying that my memory of the B&G was correct.
>I grew up at 1494 Cohassett Avenue, Lakewood, Ohio 44107 (or for most
>of the
>time Lakewood 7, O.) until I moved to Columbus, Oh in 1963. I
>attended
>Lakewood Public Schools K-12 graduated from Lkwd High School, and
>"covered"
>CTS streetcar and trolleybus lines. And the Shaker Rapid. Lots of
>memories. Bill V.
>
>> ----------
>> From: Robert E. Rathke[SMTP:brathke at juno.com]
>> Reply To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 7:57 PM
>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>> Subject: Re: More "Carbarn Sally" Pix on Dave's
>>
>> There were several B&G coffee shops in downtown Pittsburgh, but the
>one
>> at 6th and Penn was the Mayflower.
>>
>> By the way Bill, I lived in Lakewood (on Elbur Avenue) and rode the
>CTS
>> Rapid to and from W. 117th and downtown. At that time, remnants of
>> streetcar tracks and loops still existed on the West Side.
>>
>> Bob 10/5
>>
>-------------------------------
>>
>> The 21st Century starts on January 1, 2001. Just a reminder.
>>
>> On Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:47:10 -0400 "Vigrass, Bill"
>> <billvigrass at hillintl.com> writes:
>> >I too recall a coffee shop. Was it the B&G with a Bottomless Cup
>of
>> >Coffee?
>> >My friend Bob Leech called it Bugs Galore. Bob is retired, lives
>in
>> >Chamblee, GA, had a stroke last year, and cannot get around any
>more.
>> >His
>> >dad was General Agent for the C&O Ry in Cleveland .Bob was a
>classmate
>> >of
>> >mine as a result, at Emerson Junior High School, Lakewood, Ohio.
>Then
>> >his
>> >dad was transferred to Pittsburgh giving me a base to visit. They
>> >lived on
>> >Bower Hill Road in Mt. Lebanon a few blocks from the 38 loop and
>the
>> >42 wye.
>> >So that is how I, a Clevelander, became interested in Pittsburgh
>> >Railways,
>> >circa 1945-8. Bill V.
>> >> ----------
>> >> From: Carl Zager[SMTP:czager at bloomington.in.us]
>> >> Reply To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>> >> Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 10:15 AM
>> >> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>> >> Subject: Re: More "Carbarn Sally" Pix on Dave's
>> >>
>> >> Robert,
>> >>
>> >> You are right -- the Mayflower -- and its the second time someone
>
>> >has had
>> >> to refresh my memory about its name.
>> >>
>> >> You've also given me a modeling hint. Sometimes we forget how
>often
>> >> buildings were multiple use in urban areas. We think of the strip
>
>> >mall or
>> >> shopping center as a "modern" phenomenon, but shared or leased
>space
>> >has
>> >> always been with us.
>> >>
>> >> The Sixth/Penn corner of that building (before Heinz Hall) might
>> >even have
>> >> been a separate structure with a common exterior. I know the
>theatre
>> >did
>> >> not use that corner anywhere in the interior, except for a small
>> >office
>> >> off the lobby near the elevator shaft. I think there was at least
>
>> >one
>> >> other shop between the Mayflower and the Sixth Street main
>entrance.
>> >That
>> >> entrance led past the concession stand to the big marble
>staircase.
>> >The
>> >> lobby then opened up towards the Penn Avenue exit doors. The
>> >auditorium
>> >> itself stretched from Penn to the alley between Penn and Liberty
>and
>> >from
>> >> the lobby to an alley between Sixth and Seventh.
>> >>
>> >> The modeling hint? Signs in second floor windows representing
>> >businesses
>> >> different from those on the street floor.
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, 24 Sep 1999, Robert E. Rathke wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > I used to ride the buses and trolleys from Spring Hill to
>Duquesne
>> >> > University, and spent many mornings at Sixth and Penn looking
>at
>> >that
>> >> > theater corner while I waited for the 22 Crosstown trolley to
>> >arrive
>> >> > southbound on Sixth Street. At that time, the coffee shop in
>the
>> >corner
>> >> > of the Loews Penn Building was the Mayflower, and the
>White-Haines
>> >> > Optical Laboratory was on the second floor. Funny how you
>> >remember old
>> >> > signs.
>> >> >
>> >> > Bob 9/24
>> >> >
>> >> > On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:08:05 -0500 (EST) Carl Zager
>> >> > <czager at bloomington.in.us> writes:
>> >> > >While we're thanking Ken and Dave for the new photos, I
>thought I
>> >
>> >> > >might
>> >> > >jump in (despite promising to lurk) with this:
>> >> > > http://davesrailpix.railfan.net/pitts/jpg/pitt467.jpg
>> >> > >The PCC inbound on Penn, turning left on Sixth Street
>> >> > >prompts these memories --
>> >> > >The background building is the Roosevelt Hotel. For many
>> >> > >years the Pittsburgh Steelers offices and headquarters
>> >> > >were in the Sixth Street side of the hotel, just left
>> >> > >and out of the picture. My mother was a desk clerk,
>> >> > >stationed in the lobby accessible under the canopy in the
>> >> > >top right corner.
>> >> > >The corner visible bottom right is currently Heinz Hall.
>> >> > >In our days (late 50's, early 60's) there was a restaurant
>> >> > >in that corner of the Loew's (later United Artists) Penn
>> >> > >Theatre. I worked for a time as an usher there -- black
>> >> > >tuxedo in the winter, white dinner jacket in the summer.
>> >> > >"Once the feature for which you are purchasing tickets has
>> >> > >started, there will be no admission to the auditorium. The
>> >> > >tickets you are currently purchasing may be used at the
>> >> > >(time) showing later today. Thank you." _Psycho_
>> >> > >
>> >> > >Thanks for the memories! I miss da Burgh.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >On Thu, 23 Sep 1999, Dietrich, Robert J. wrote:
>> >> > >> Thanks Ken and Dave for the pictures. A couple of them
>really
>> >> > >struck home,
>> >> > >> literally. Picture pitt537.jpg, the 1700 on 40 Mt.
>Washington,
>> >was
>> >> > >taken
>> >> > >> across the street from where I grew up and pitt501.jpg was a
>
>> >block
>> >> > >away. So
>> >> > >> I have to ask; Do you have any more of that location,
>Southern
>> >> > >Avenue at
>> >> > >> Natchez and Shiloh streets? I am more interested in the
>> >buildings
>> >> > >and
>> >> > >> surrounding area than in the trolleys because I'm ready to
>> >start
>> >> > >building an
>> >> > >> East Penn module of the neighborhood. I want to build it as
>
>> >the
>> >> > >place
>> >> > >> appeared in the mid fifties, my impressionable years.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> If anyone has any more pictures, with or without street
>cars, I
>> >will
>> >> > >take
>> >> > >> them in any form.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >> Thanks.
>> >> > >> Bob
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> > >> From: Kenneth and Tracie Josephson
>> >> > >[mailto:kjosephson at sprintmail.com]
>> >> > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 7:38 AM
>> >> > >> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>> >> > >> Subject: More "Carbarn Sally" Pix on Dave's
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Hi All,
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Dave has posted another eighteen Roberta Hill pix on his
>site
>> >under
>> >> > >the
>> >> > >> "Ken Josephson Collection." I sent another forty two today.
>The
>> >
>> >> > >latter
>> >> > >> batch (not up yet) features such oddities as a 1700 on Route
>
>> >40, an
>> >> > >> interurban PCC holding down a night run on Route 39, a
>sequence
>> >of
>> >> > >shots
>> >> > >> showing a motorman grappling with a defective trolley pole
>on a
>> >
>> >> > >1700,
>> >> > >> dewirements, shots from overpasses, high rises, snow shots,
>> >last
>> >> > >runs on
>> >> > >> some lines (including Route 21), a group of passengers
>> >transfering
>> >> > >to
>> >> > >> the car in front of theirs (a breakdown, perhaps?), interior
>
>> >shots,
>> >> > >> M-454 at South Hills Junction, etc.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> I also put together a group of pictures depicting the
>following
>> >cars
>> >> > >> still in PRCo. and/or PAT service: M-200, M-551, M-283,
>M-210,
>> >1467
>> >> > >&
>> >> > >> 1711. gee, what do all those cars have in common? ;-)
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> There will be a photo study of M-210, Routes 21 & 40 and
>> >several
>> >> > >views
>> >> > >> of Route 82. I also put together a carhouse and shop
>> >collection.
>> >> > >There
>> >> > >> are shots of cars being *washed*! :-)
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Hope you enjoy the pix when they are posted.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Ken J.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Carl Zager
>> >> > > KB9RVB
>> >> > > czager at bloomington.in.us
>> >> > > http://www.mccsc.edu/~czager/
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >> >
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>> >>
>> >> Carl Zager
>> >> KB9RVB
>> >> czager at bloomington.in.us
>> >> http://www.mccsc.edu/~czager/
>> >>
>>
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