More "Carbarn Sally" Pix on Dave's
Vigrass, Bill
billvigrass at hillintl.com
Wed Oct 6 08:50:57 EDT 1999
Thanks for verifying that my memory of the B&G was correct.
I grew up at 1494 Cohassett Avenue, Lakewood, Ohio 44107 (or for most of the
time Lakewood 7, O.) until I moved to Columbus, Oh in 1963. I attended
Lakewood Public Schools K-12 graduated from Lkwd High School, and "covered"
CTS streetcar and trolleybus lines. And the Shaker Rapid. Lots of
memories. Bill V.
> ----------
> From: Robert E. Rathke[SMTP:brathke at juno.com]
> Reply To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 7:57 PM
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> Subject: Re: More "Carbarn Sally" Pix on Dave's
>
> There were several B&G coffee shops in downtown Pittsburgh, but the one
> at 6th and Penn was the Mayflower.
>
> By the way Bill, I lived in Lakewood (on Elbur Avenue) and rode the CTS
> Rapid to and from W. 117th and downtown. At that time, remnants of
> streetcar tracks and loops still existed on the West Side.
>
> Bob 10/5
> -------------------------------
>
> The 21st Century starts on January 1, 2001. Just a reminder.
>
> On Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:47:10 -0400 "Vigrass, Bill"
> <billvigrass at hillintl.com> writes:
> >I too recall a coffee shop. Was it the B&G with a Bottomless Cup of
> >Coffee?
> >My friend Bob Leech called it Bugs Galore. Bob is retired, lives in
> >Chamblee, GA, had a stroke last year, and cannot get around any more.
> >His
> >dad was General Agent for the C&O Ry in Cleveland .Bob was a classmate
> >of
> >mine as a result, at Emerson Junior High School, Lakewood, Ohio. Then
> >his
> >dad was transferred to Pittsburgh giving me a base to visit. They
> >lived on
> >Bower Hill Road in Mt. Lebanon a few blocks from the 38 loop and the
> >42 wye.
> >So that is how I, a Clevelander, became interested in Pittsburgh
> >Railways,
> >circa 1945-8. Bill V.
> >> ----------
> >> From: Carl Zager[SMTP:czager at bloomington.in.us]
> >> Reply To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> >> Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 10:15 AM
> >> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> >> Subject: Re: More "Carbarn Sally" Pix on Dave's
> >>
> >> Robert,
> >>
> >> You are right -- the Mayflower -- and its the second time someone
> >has had
> >> to refresh my memory about its name.
> >>
> >> You've also given me a modeling hint. Sometimes we forget how often
> >> buildings were multiple use in urban areas. We think of the strip
> >mall or
> >> shopping center as a "modern" phenomenon, but shared or leased space
> >has
> >> always been with us.
> >>
> >> The Sixth/Penn corner of that building (before Heinz Hall) might
> >even have
> >> been a separate structure with a common exterior. I know the theatre
> >did
> >> not use that corner anywhere in the interior, except for a small
> >office
> >> off the lobby near the elevator shaft. I think there was at least
> >one
> >> other shop between the Mayflower and the Sixth Street main entrance.
> >That
> >> entrance led past the concession stand to the big marble staircase.
> >The
> >> lobby then opened up towards the Penn Avenue exit doors. The
> >auditorium
> >> itself stretched from Penn to the alley between Penn and Liberty and
> >from
> >> the lobby to an alley between Sixth and Seventh.
> >>
> >> The modeling hint? Signs in second floor windows representing
> >businesses
> >> different from those on the street floor.
> >>
> >> On Fri, 24 Sep 1999, Robert E. Rathke wrote:
> >>
> >> > I used to ride the buses and trolleys from Spring Hill to Duquesne
> >> > University, and spent many mornings at Sixth and Penn looking at
> >that
> >> > theater corner while I waited for the 22 Crosstown trolley to
> >arrive
> >> > southbound on Sixth Street. At that time, the coffee shop in the
> >corner
> >> > of the Loews Penn Building was the Mayflower, and the White-Haines
> >> > Optical Laboratory was on the second floor. Funny how you
> >remember old
> >> > signs.
> >> >
> >> > Bob 9/24
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:08:05 -0500 (EST) Carl Zager
> >> > <czager at bloomington.in.us> writes:
> >> > >While we're thanking Ken and Dave for the new photos, I thought I
> >
> >> > >might
> >> > >jump in (despite promising to lurk) with this:
> >> > > http://davesrailpix.railfan.net/pitts/jpg/pitt467.jpg
> >> > >The PCC inbound on Penn, turning left on Sixth Street
> >> > >prompts these memories --
> >> > >The background building is the Roosevelt Hotel. For many
> >> > >years the Pittsburgh Steelers offices and headquarters
> >> > >were in the Sixth Street side of the hotel, just left
> >> > >and out of the picture. My mother was a desk clerk,
> >> > >stationed in the lobby accessible under the canopy in the
> >> > >top right corner.
> >> > >The corner visible bottom right is currently Heinz Hall.
> >> > >In our days (late 50's, early 60's) there was a restaurant
> >> > >in that corner of the Loew's (later United Artists) Penn
> >> > >Theatre. I worked for a time as an usher there -- black
> >> > >tuxedo in the winter, white dinner jacket in the summer.
> >> > >"Once the feature for which you are purchasing tickets has
> >> > >started, there will be no admission to the auditorium. The
> >> > >tickets you are currently purchasing may be used at the
> >> > >(time) showing later today. Thank you." _Psycho_
> >> > >
> >> > >Thanks for the memories! I miss da Burgh.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >On Thu, 23 Sep 1999, Dietrich, Robert J. wrote:
> >> > >> Thanks Ken and Dave for the pictures. A couple of them really
> >> > >struck home,
> >> > >> literally. Picture pitt537.jpg, the 1700 on 40 Mt. Washington,
> >was
> >> > >taken
> >> > >> across the street from where I grew up and pitt501.jpg was a
> >block
> >> > >away. So
> >> > >> I have to ask; Do you have any more of that location, Southern
> >> > >Avenue at
> >> > >> Natchez and Shiloh streets? I am more interested in the
> >buildings
> >> > >and
> >> > >> surrounding area than in the trolleys because I'm ready to
> >start
> >> > >building an
> >> > >> East Penn module of the neighborhood. I want to build it as
> >the
> >> > >place
> >> > >> appeared in the mid fifties, my impressionable years.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> If anyone has any more pictures, with or without street cars, I
> >will
> >> > >take
> >> > >> them in any form.
> >> > >
> >> > >> Thanks.
> >> > >> Bob
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> -----Original Message-----
> >> > >> From: Kenneth and Tracie Josephson
> >> > >[mailto:kjosephson at sprintmail.com]
> >> > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 7:38 AM
> >> > >> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> >> > >> Subject: More "Carbarn Sally" Pix on Dave's
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Hi All,
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Dave has posted another eighteen Roberta Hill pix on his site
> >under
> >> > >the
> >> > >> "Ken Josephson Collection." I sent another forty two today. The
> >
> >> > >latter
> >> > >> batch (not up yet) features such oddities as a 1700 on Route
> >40, an
> >> > >> interurban PCC holding down a night run on Route 39, a sequence
> >of
> >> > >shots
> >> > >> showing a motorman grappling with a defective trolley pole on a
> >
> >> > >1700,
> >> > >> dewirements, shots from overpasses, high rises, snow shots,
> >last
> >> > >runs on
> >> > >> some lines (including Route 21), a group of passengers
> >transfering
> >> > >to
> >> > >> the car in front of theirs (a breakdown, perhaps?), interior
> >shots,
> >> > >> M-454 at South Hills Junction, etc.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I also put together a group of pictures depicting the following
> >cars
> >> > >> still in PRCo. and/or PAT service: M-200, M-551, M-283, M-210,
> >1467
> >> > >&
> >> > >> 1711. gee, what do all those cars have in common? ;-)
> >> > >>
> >> > >> There will be a photo study of M-210, Routes 21 & 40 and
> >several
> >> > >views
> >> > >> of Route 82. I also put together a carhouse and shop
> >collection.
> >> > >There
> >> > >> are shots of cars being *washed*! :-)
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Hope you enjoy the pix when they are posted.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Ken J.
> >> > >>
> >> > >
> >> > > Carl Zager
> >> > > KB9RVB
> >> > > czager at bloomington.in.us
> >> > > http://www.mccsc.edu/~czager/
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
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> >>
> >> Carl Zager
> >> KB9RVB
> >> czager at bloomington.in.us
> >> http://www.mccsc.edu/~czager/
> >>
>
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