Finleyville not Canonsburg

[Jim Holland]

Greetings!

	Yes  --  it seems like every second or third photo is mislabeled -
date, place, etc.  A shot of Ingram yard shows a 1700 and is labeled
1947 and PCC 1799, which went to Ingram, arrived on the property
1949.05.31 and was placed in service on 1949.07.27.  ((This is strange
because all the other PCCs were usually placed into service within 3-7
days.  Interestingly, 1798 arrived 1949.05.23 and went into service with
1799.))
	Also, a shot of #100 at Clearview Loop, 38-Mt.Lebanon, is labeled as
South Hills Junction.  I have the very same photo which I purchased from
Bill Nixon.  While Bill is probably not the photographer (he has bought
negatives from many people) he is never-the-less the owner of the
negative and I feel it is unethical if not downright illegal to post
such a photo without permission and without identifying the owner and /
or photographer.  I won't do that with my photo collection.
	Additionally, in the 1980s, Bill and I traded slides.  Bill got
*originals* from me of the San Francisco Trolley Festivals (and I won't
hesitate to say that they are some extremely good photos for I learned
the sun angles and used it to advantage in taking the photos) while I
got color copies of PRCo B&W prints which makes for strange photos!  (I
did receive some good color copies of color slides, but the older and
more desireable prints were B&W.)  M-a-n-y  of these are of Bill Nixon's
prints - the ones of the two 16 interurbans at the Washington interurban
wye, the 16 with local 4383 on the North Washington line, the ones of
the 16s on the Washington trestles - all discussed here and all on
Dave's website!  I now have the prints which I purchased from Bill
Nixon.
	Dave probably doesn't know these things about the photos he has posted,
but because of this, I have only gone to the site because people have
mentioned specific photos here on the list.  I have definitely
considered Fallen Flags as an alternative because of these problems,
especially if I were to post any other photos.  I believe I remember
reading something on Fallen Flags about protecting the rights of the
owner / photographer, and this impressed me.

Bob Rathke wrote:
 
> I enjoy viewing these "Mystery" photos and testing my memory to try to
> identify the locations, but I get irritated with the website photo captions
> that are way off base.  In the past I have had some of my photos put on
> websites with postage-stamp size images and limited/no captions; although I
> provided detailed, accurate captions, the screen captions often came up
> wrong.  That's why in 1998 I decided to upload my photos to the Fallen Flags
> website.  The photos there START with a caption, then link to the
> screen-size photo.  The website owner, George Elwood, is serious about
> accuracy, and he'll question any photo or caption that seems to be
> incorrect; he will also run lengthy captions for you, and he readily makes
> changes in captions if the photo provider requests them.  Unfortunately, his
> website has been mainly railroad subjects, although he started a light
> rail/trolley page at my request.  But there's hope: in 1997 the Fallen Flags
> website was primarily about the Erie-Lackawanna RR, with a small "Other RR"
> page for all others. By 1999 he had 200+ railroads listed alphabetically,
> and they're now much larger than the original E-L website that started it
> all.

> Bob 4/1

> ------Original Message------
> From: Jim Holland <pghpcc at pacbell.net>
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> Sent: March 31, 2000 3:19:26 AM GMT
> Subject: Re: Finleyville  not  Canonsburg

> Greetings!

> Unfortunately and all too often, the photo credits are not at all
> correct.  I have purchased a vast number of PRCo photos from a variety
> of photographers  a-n-d  because I purchased them, I do not at all feel
> free to post them on the internet.  I can identify the original source
> for many of those photos on these sites and 75% or better are just
> listed as *from-the-collection-of.*  Don't think that is at all fair.
> This particular photo I recognize from a PTM calendar and also *PCC
> from Coast to Coast* where proper credit was given in both cases.
> Would you mind sending a *now* photo of this location to Derrick so he
> might put it on the website?  Won't be back that way for a while!

> Edward H. Lybarger wrote:

> > I just shot a "now" photo of the same location for our new exhibit at the
> > Museum.  It's most definitely the intersection of Route 88 and Marion
> > Avenue, Finleyville.  Photo credit should be to Edward S. Miller.

> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> > [mailto:owner-pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org]On Behalf Of Jim Holland
> > Sent: Monday, March 27, 2000 9:53 PM
> > To: PRCo -- WP -- JTC -- The Big *3* --
> > Subject: Finleyville not Canonsburg

> > Greetings!

> >         This URL http://davesrailpix.railfan.net/pitts/htm/wvp116.htm is of
> > 1714 heading to Roscoe thru Charleroi in Finleyville and crossing route
> > 88!  Bill lists it as Canonsburg on the Washington line.  This appeared
> > in a recent PTM calendar.

James B. Holland
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