Finleyville not Canonsburg

Sat Apr 1 15:19:06 EST 2000

Bill Nixon is listed on the Fallen Flags website as a photo contributor. 
In fact, his name, address and e-mail link are shown near the top of the
home page.  George Elwood's copyright policy is also on the home page.

Bob 4/1

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On Sat, 01 Apr 2000 10:27:02 -0800 Jim Holland <pghpcc at pacbell.net>
writes:
> Greetings!
> 
> 	Yes  --  it seems like every second or third photo is 
> mislabeled -
> date, place, etc.  A shot of Ingram yard shows a 1700 and is labeled
> 1947 and PCC 1799, which went to Ingram, arrived on the property
> 1949.05.31 and was placed in service on 1949.07.27.  ((This is 
> strange
> because all the other PCCs were usually placed into service within 
> 3-7
> days.  Interestingly, 1798 arrived 1949.05.23 and went into service 
> with
> 1799.))
> 	Also, a shot of #100 at Clearview Loop, 38-Mt.Lebanon, is 
> labeled as
> South Hills Junction.  I have the very same photo which I purchased 
> from
> Bill Nixon.  While Bill is probably not the photographer (he has 
> bought
> negatives from many people) he is never-the-less the owner of the
> negative and I feel it is unethical if not downright illegal to post
> such a photo without permission and without identifying the owner 
> and /
> or photographer.  I won't do that with my photo collection.
> 	Additionally, in the 1980s, Bill and I traded slides.  Bill 
> got
> *originals* from me of the San Francisco Trolley Festivals (and I 
> won't
> hesitate to say that they are some extremely good photos for I 
> learned
> the sun angles and used it to advantage in taking the photos) while 
> I
> got color copies of PRCo B&W prints which makes for strange photos!  
> (I
> did receive some good color copies of color slides, but the older 
> and
> more desireable prints were B&W.)  M-a-n-y  of these are of Bill 
> Nixon's
> prints - the ones of the two 16 interurbans at the Washington 
> interurban
> wye, the 16 with local 4383 on the North Washington line, the ones 
> of
> the 16s on the Washington trestles - all discussed here and all on
> Dave's website!  I now have the prints which I purchased from Bill
> Nixon.
> 	Dave probably doesn't know these things about the photos he 
> has posted,
> but because of this, I have only gone to the site because people 
> have
> mentioned specific photos here on the list.  I have definitely
> considered Fallen Flags as an alternative because of these problems,
> especially if I were to post any other photos.  I believe I remember
> reading something on Fallen Flags about protecting the rights of the
> owner / photographer, and this impressed me.
> 
> Bob Rathke wrote:
>  
> > I enjoy viewing these "Mystery" photos and testing my memory to 
> try to
> > identify the locations, but I get irritated with the website photo 
> captions
> > that are way off base.  In the past I have had some of my photos 
> put on
> > websites with postage-stamp size images and limited/no captions; 
> although I
> > provided detailed, accurate captions, the screen captions often 
> came up
> > wrong.  That's why in 1998 I decided to upload my photos to the 
> Fallen Flags
> > website.  The photos there START with a caption, then link to the
> > screen-size photo.  The website owner, George Elwood, is serious 
> about
> > accuracy, and he'll question any photo or caption that seems to be
> > incorrect; he will also run lengthy captions for you, and he 
> readily makes
> > changes in captions if the photo provider requests them.  
> Unfortunately, his
> > website has been mainly railroad subjects, although he started a 
> light
> > rail/trolley page at my request.  But there's hope: in 1997 the 
> Fallen Flags
> > website was primarily about the Erie-Lackawanna RR, with a small 
> "Other RR"
> > page for all others. By 1999 he had 200+ railroads listed 
> alphabetically,
> > and they're now much larger than the original E-L website that 
> started it
> > all.
> 
> > Bob 4/1
> 
> > ------Original Message------
> > From: Jim Holland <pghpcc at pacbell.net>
> > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> > Sent: March 31, 2000 3:19:26 AM GMT
> > Subject: Re: Finleyville  not  Canonsburg
> 
> > Greetings!
> 
> > Unfortunately and all too often, the photo credits are not at all
> > correct.  I have purchased a vast number of PRCo photos from a 
> variety
> > of photographers  a-n-d  because I purchased them, I do not at all 
> feel
> > free to post them on the internet.  I can identify the original 
> source
> > for many of those photos on these sites and 75% or better are just
> > listed as *from-the-collection-of.*  Don't think that is at all 
> fair.
> > This particular photo I recognize from a PTM calendar and also 
> *PCC
> > from Coast to Coast* where proper credit was given in both cases.
> > Would you mind sending a *now* photo of this location to Derrick 
> so he
> > might put it on the website?  Won't be back that way for a while!
> 
> > Edward H. Lybarger wrote:
> 
> > > I just shot a "now" photo of the same location for our new 
> exhibit at the
> > > Museum.  It's most definitely the intersection of Route 88 and 
> Marion
> > > Avenue, Finleyville.  Photo credit should be to Edward S. 
> Miller.
> 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> > > [mailto:owner-pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org]On Behalf Of Jim 
> Holland
> > > Sent: Monday, March 27, 2000 9:53 PM
> > > To: PRCo -- WP -- JTC -- The Big *3* --
> > > Subject: Finleyville not Canonsburg
> 
> > > Greetings!
> 
> > >         This URL 
> http://davesrailpix.railfan.net/pitts/htm/wvp116.htm is of
> > > 1714 heading to Roscoe thru Charleroi in Finleyville and 
> crossing route
> > > 88!  Bill lists it as Canonsburg on the Washington line.  This 
> appeared
> > > in a recent PTM calendar.
> 
> James B. Holland
> ------- -- ---------
>         Pittsburgh Railways Company (PRCo), June of 1949 -- June of 
> 1953
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