1731 on 21-Fineview

[brathke at juno.com]

The stretch of track in the photo was not really level - it sloped
downward in a northward direction - from the crest of the hill (Channel
11 studios and the truck garage) in the background toward the camera.  

The grade is more apparent if you were stationed at Channel 11 and
looking northbound.

I forgot to mention that if you were stationed in the distance by the
truck garage and looking away from the camera, you'd be looking southward
at the outbound upgrade, and you'd have a great view of downtown
Pittsburgh.

The more I recall these stories of Fineview and look at the photos, I
realize that if there was one trolley line that should have been
preserved, this was it.  However, 21-Fineview didn't really go to any
destination (attraction), and the inbound line was on Perrysville Ave.
and Federal St., so maintaining the line would involve a lot more than
just the scenic single track.

Bob 4/2

PS - For all you John Dameron fans, I found a good photo I took of him
standing on the front steps of 1799, the last car on 6/14-Avalon, at the
Avalon loop around 1:45 AM on 5/1/66.  He's wearing a RED sportscoat, so
I'm glad I was using color film.

And, on another photo taken a few minutes later, there's a PAT person
standing at the front of 1799 addressing the very large crowd of people
at the loop.  Harold - could that have been you?

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On Sun, 02 Apr 2000 00:17:34 -0800 Jim Holland <pghpcc at pacbell.net>
writes:
> Greetings!
> 
> 	Thanks, Robert!  Still looks more mid-western than Pgh.  
> Have vague
> memories of some somewhat level spots on the 21-line but none this 
> long!
> 	Pg.106 of *PA-Trolleys in Color Vol-3 shows 1708 on 
> Henderson, I
> believe, and I have other photos of 17s here, but all fantrips.  PCC
> 1731 certainly wasn't a service car in spite of its destination sign
> because it is Westinghouse and not GE - or had Keating been closed 
> by
> this time and sent to SHJ - in that cast, anything could have run up
> here!
> 
> brathke at juno.com wrote:
> 
> > I've got news for everyone - this photo of 1731 IS on 21-Fineview.
> 
> > It was taken on the downgrade just north of the Channel 11 studios 
> (large
> > building visible through the trees above the PCC).  Outbound, the 
> line
> > reached the summit of the hill near the TV studios and behind the 
> garage
> > building in the background, then started twisting downhill toward 
> the
> > camera, and the East St. Bridge and the Charles St. layover point.
> 
> > In 1965-66, I took numerous photos at the location shown in this 
> photo of
> > 1731, and I just compared some of my slides to this website view 
> to
> > confirm the location.
> 
> > The 1731 has a route 68 sign, so it must have been a fantrip.  
> This is
> > the only photo I've ever seen of a 1700 on Fineview.
> 
> > Bob 4/1
> 
> > > To: PRCo -- WP -- JTC -- The Big *3* --
> > > <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
> > > Sent: March 31, 2000 6:49:52 AM GMT
> > > Subject: More  photo  identifications
> 
> > > Greetings!
> 
> > > http://davesrailpix.railfan.net/pitts/htm/wvp255.htm - where?  
> The photo
> > > caption says 21-line but this is entirely too flat!  Can't make 
> out
> > > destination but it appears to be 68 which was long gone in 
> 1962.02.05,
> > > the listed date for the photo - possibly a railfan charter.  
> Except for
> > > the trolleycar, it doesn't even look like Pgh!
> 
> James B. Holland
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> 1953
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