Finleyville

[Edward H. Lybarger]

Lanks was at (actually over) the top of the hill, a mile or more south.

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From: owner-pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
[mailto:owner-pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org]On Behalf Of Jim Holland
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 11:03 PM
To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
Subject: Re: Finleyville


Greetings!

Fred W. Schneider III wrote:

> First is that
> double end cars could have run to Finleyville

	This caused me to remember that the double track ended at Lanks south
of Finleyville.  How much further was that - probably another couple
stops?

> Riverview was the normal destination sign in my lifetime for extra
> cars out of Pittsburgh in the rush hour.  I have no idea what kind of
> sign the 4200s / 4300s working Donora normally carried on those rush
> hour trips that were extended north from Black Diamond through
> Monongahela to Riverview Loop.

	The 1950.01.22 schedule that I have shows the Donora local on a
30-minute headway Riverview to Donora and return - none of them turn
short at Black Diamond.

> We do have a rush hour ca. 1951 or
> 1952 picture of 1444 and 4359 at Riverview ... the PCC, which was not
> normally used in interurban service, had a paper RIVERVIEW sign rammed
> into the sign box in front of the linen roll;

	Scholes photo #PGH-0033 shows 1442 at SHJ after coming out of the yard
with a Black on white Finleyville sign.  It is mounted similar to above
but looks hastily done with spaces on all 4-sides and the rebular
destination sign half-way between all black and all white!  It looks to
be about 1950.  All other temporary signs that I have seen like this are
nicely centered and mounted directly against the glass without space on
any side.

> The double end car had
> a DONORA sign,

	Maybe this Donora sign functioned as a route sign without numbers!  It
would be like any other PRCo route - the passenger knows the terminals
inbound and outbound.  If you don't you ask!

> Inbound trips normally used the same sign as outbound
> runs, except that in the very late 1940s (up to perhaps 1951) the
> PITTSBURGH signage could be used.

	Pre-1951, the bulk of the photos inbound show Pittsburgh - one
3700-series Brill has Roscoe but a signboard on the dash saying
Charleroi.  Another 3800 has Charleroi.  After local service in Shannon
was eliminated and the interurbans displayed Shannon-Charleroi is there
a lack of Pittsburgh signs inbound!

> Third:  Perhaps most realistic of all is the possibility that there
> was room left on the linen to add FINLEYVILLE and a sign painter
> simply made them up that way one day!

	And if this was used by double-end equipment, the same rolls might be
placed in single-end equipment!

	WERE  THERE  many  HIGH--speed  DOUBLE  END  cars??

> "Edward H. Lybarger" wrote:

> The cars turned at Riverview Loop, as Jim says, as there was no place to
> turn between (West) Library and there.  I'm not entirely sure of the logic
> of the Finleyville destination curtain, unless it was used just on
> southbound cars, leaving Riverview as the destination for
> northbound cars from Donora.

>      Ed
>      -----Original Message-----
>      From: owner-pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>      [mailto:owner-pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org]On Behalf Of
>      Jim Holland
>      Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 4:15 PM
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>      Subject: Finleyville

>      Greetings!

> I have several photos of single end low floor cars displaying the sign
> FINLEYVILLE.  Turn around facilities do not exist at Finleyville.  The
> cars would have to continue to Riverview to be able to
> turn.  Was this a valid destination sign?

James B. Holland

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