Carhouses, Dave's, Etc./Boeing Vertol and M11

[Jim Holland]

Greetings!

	I agree whole heartedly, John  --  people will be chastised for not
saving a Boeing car.  Maybe someone around Boston will save one.
	But if a Boeing is not being saved because it is a high-tech nightmare,
then what does it say for the Bredas, etc.  Maybe a Siemens car will be
saved; Siemens cars are bare bones - heard that might have been a
possibility as early as ten years ago somewhere in the northwest.
	I am not active in Rio Vista and I am not a member and have never been
a member - get there on average once or twice every 5-years.  And by the
time that the criticism comes down concerning the saving of a Boeing
car, I won't be living in California . . . at least I hope not.
	When I mentioned the saving of M11 it was in support of another person
who thought this should be saved as well.  From an historic perspective,
with M11 being the first revenue PCC in the world, it makes much sense. 
Railfans from Coast to Coast have said this.  It also makes sense for
the Clark Bar . . . sorry, I mean Clark PCC CAR . . . to be saved from
an historic perspective as well - it is the one and only Clark built PCC
and quite innovative for its time.
	But I have also emphatically stated my position here as well:  if a car
is saved, fine; if a car is not saved, that is life.  Absolutely nothing
lasts forever and I am not going to weep over it.  With reference to M11
I was simply pointing out the historical perspective and that many
railfans feel that a mistake was made not to save it . . even people
outside Pgh. and I rarely hear a kind word about PRCo outside of Pgh. 
But as incredible as it seems, the St.-Petes PRCo 1700 series PCC cars
are proving to be their most popular - people talk against PRCo all the
time but they secretly collect paranephalia related to PRCo!!

>> >Fred W. Schneider III wrote:

> >> By the way, what is the California Railway Museum doing to get a
> >>Boeing-Vertol car from Muni?  I hope that doesn't slip by them.

> > and Jim Holland replied
 
> >       This is about the 3rd or 4th time that I have mentioned this right here.
> >I assume you mean the Museum in Rio Vista (The CA Ry Museum is run by the
> >State in Sacramento.)
> >       Rio Vista has  N-O  intention of getting a Boeing car because of the
> >hi-tech equipment and the associated problems of maintenance.

> >James B. Holland

> John Swindler wrote:
 
> Then let me tell you what will happen in about 20 or so years.

> Just as we are criticizing the Pittsburgh area railfans of the early 1960s
> concerning M11, as a railfan living in California, so to will you be
> chastised (collectively with all other middle age and older railfans) as
> being short-sighted for your failure to help save a Boeing-Vertol car at the
> Rio Vista trolley museum.

> Is there any difference?

> John Swindler

James B. Holland

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