TR: Another South Hills Junction Update

[Edward H. Lybarger]

Numbers 1774 and 1775 were open, the former Westinghouse car having been
damaged beyond economical repair in a collision with 1770 on 8-17-66 and
scrapped in 1967.  The loss of car 1672 to vandals with a match on 4-27-75
left only 25 to be rebuilt, but no car was renumbered below 1776...thus the
77/54 ID.

Ed

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Sent: Monday, March 13, 2000 11:38 AM
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Subject: Re: TR: Another South Hills Junction Update


Jim Holland wrote

>	Funny thing about numbers  --   The last 25 cars of the PRCo 1700 series
>were 1775-1799, a total of 25 cars, and were GE equipped.  And to work in
>reverse order and using the numbers 1776-99 above, to get how many cars are
>in that group it is necessary to subtract the two. But if we subtract 1776
>from 1799, we are actually leaving 1776 out of that last group so it is
>necessary to subtract 1775 from 1799 and that leaves us with only 24 cars.


I think you'll find the PAT roster in 1972/73 included 26 cars in the 1600
series cars.  I need to research this a bit further Jim, but believe
1616/1776 overhaul was done in-house by PAT in 1972.  That is, not under a
capital grant project.  There was a capital grant project -  for 25 cars -
but 1672 never made it into the program.  Costs about doubled by the time
PAT started working on the worst cars in late 1970s.  Same thing happened
with SEPTA's GOH program and PAT's 4000s.  Times change and costs increase.

Early on it was realized that there was a (minor) problem with 26 potential
overhaul cars and only 24 numbers available in 1776-1799.  Thus how
convenient to use 77/54 as promotional event.  The 77/54 car line was still
a recent memory for many Pittsburghers, but probably seems a meaningless
number today - except to us.

>
>Did the 90 PCC cars needed include spares or were they the ten that
>were needed to make 100 cars (that's 90+10=100)!?!?!?!?!?!??
>
>

Also need to check am and pm peak vehicle requirements.  Somewhere have
that, by route, as of June 30th each year.  Let me check.

John S.


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