Tom

[Jim Holland]

Greetings!

Greg King wrote:

> Hi Tom,

> It would appear that your ISP is saying "everyone else has a problem
> but yours does not" well, as we have all had no difficulty in this
> area with anyone else (at least I hav'nt).

	No - I don't think that is actually being said.
	What  IS  being said is that Tom's ISP subscribes to a database that
rejects mail from ISPs that don't prevent spam dumping.
	My ISP is the West Coast Local phone company, PaBell, so that is very
disappointing.
	What bothers me about http://www.orbs.org is the following statement:

	"There are no rights of passage on the Internet other than those
granted by individual server administrators. You do not have the right
to deliver mail to anyone who does not wish to receive it. The
administrators of the mailserver blocking your mail have decided they do
not wish to receive mail from insecure machines vulnerable to abuse by
spammers."

	Seems to me that I can pay 32-cents and send mail to any U.S. address -
for a little more I can send mail to any address in the world.  I pay
for monthly internet access which includes email; I should be able to
send to any address I wish.  *You--and--I* are not the spam dumpers yet
our mail is being blocked - that is what really bugs me.  The innocent
suffer for the guilty  --  but that has been known for a  l-o-n-g  time 
--  many thousands of years!

	I sent an email to Charles Brown with cc: to many others and Charles'
email came back as undeliverable because of Bad Return Address - when I
sent a second email he said he had received the first!  Go finger!! 
Reading http://www.orbs.org closely reveals that it is  NOT  ONLY  the
sending ISP but the servers used enroute to the destination!

	I have also had this happen with with other addresses - sometimes
repeatedly sending a message will allow one to get thru - possibly
because it follows a different route!  But one email address constantly
rejects my mail.  I have successfully sent a couple emails to Charles 
--  at least they haven't been returned so I assume he received them. 
Maybe we need return receipts!!

James B. Holland

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