http://gelwood.railfan.net/other/lightrail/pat-1676r.jpg P&L E Canopy & Clock -- Smithfield St. Bridge

[Jim Holland]

Greetings!

	Bob Rathke seems to indicate that starting *about--1958* the clock was
changed for Daylight Savings Time - which would lead to my next question
- was the sign below it also changed??

	Thanks for the link on the bridge - will definitely check it out
further.  I think it has been listed here before but couldn't find it in
my files!

	If I put the clock in my model, do I have to put a sign under it
stating it is running on *Fast-Eastern-Standard-Time?!?!*  Actually,
some of the questions are mere curiosity as with the time change; others
will be taken into consideration for modelling purposes but you know all
too well the problems with *selective-compression* that is necessary
when modelling!!!!

Dietrich, Robert J. wrote:

> Here is everything you ever wanted to know about the Smithfield street
> bridge.  This is a long scary link.

> http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=hhphoto&action=browse&fileName=p
> a/pa0000/pa0073/photos/browse.db&recNum=0&itemLink=D?hh:108:./temp/~ammem_kB
> kj::&title2=Smithfield+Street+Bridge,+Spanning+Monongahela+River+on+Smithfie
> ld+St.,+PITTSBURGH,+Allegheny+County,+PA.&displayType=1

> If it doesn't work for you try this http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/hhquery.html
> and enter Smithfield Street Bridge into the search field.

> My mind also tells me that the clock was always on Eastern Standard Time.
> Not to get off subject but didn't the railroads always run on Standard Time?
> Something tells me they switched over to Daylight Savings during their
> troubled decades, 60's and 70's timeframe.  I guess it doesn't matter except
> Professor Holland will want to have it right when he builds his model of the
> bridge.

> Bob

> > brathke at juno.com wrote:

> > > I'm sure that the P&LE canopy clock was
> > > changed to DST in April - at least after 1958,

> Jim Holland wrote:

> >         That is  m-u-c-h  sooner than I thought - thanks for the update.
> >         Your following description of *facilities* around the P&LE station and
> > the Smithfield St. Bridge raise some interesting questions as I am not
> > at all familiar with the construction *down-under* at this location.
> >         1)--Where does the Smithfield St. Bridge proper start?
> >         2)--Behind 1676 is what looks like an arched thru truss - arches on
> > both sides of the double track - but this was earth fill as I remember.
> > Used to be a location for a crossover used by the Carson Street shuttles
> > on pullouts until the turn was cut in at Carson.  So this part is on an
> > embankment, No?  It is not actually a trestle in spite of the arches, or
> > is it?  I would assume that the Smithfield St. Bridge itself starts on
> > the north side of those arches, Yes?
> >         3)--It seems as though the P&LE canopy itself was a small trestle with
> > first a pedestrian underpass and then the same used for autos.  But this
> > *trestle* is separate from the Smithfield St. Bridge itself, No?

> >         Will be checking your photos on the P&LE station.
> >         Do you have photos of the B&O station on the north side of the
> > bridge?

> >         MANY  THANKS!

> > > The east (inbound) side of the canopy had a staircase that went down the
> > > east side of the bridge structure, then you walked through a pedestrian
> > > tunnel, past the taxi driveway to the course level of the P&LE station;
> > > this tunnel is still there, but ioday it is used by automobiles going
> > > from Station Square to the parking lot on the east side of the bridge.
> > > Going back to the old canopy: people on the west side of the canopy
> > > (outbound) simply walked across the auto lanes of the Smithfield Street
> > > Bridge, entered the main doors of the station and walked down the grand
> > > staircase to the concourse level: or...you could walk down a staircase to
> > > the outside walkway along the railroad tracks(this walkway has been
> > > enclosed and is now a dining room at the Grand Concourse Restaurant).

> > > If you'd like to see some of my photos of the P&LE station, go the
> > > "P&LE" page on the website
> > > <www.dnaco.net/~gelwood>.  I also have photos of the PRR and B&O
> > > stations on those railroad pages.

> > > The P&LE canopy contained a large sign showing the numbers and names of
> > > the trolley routes that stopped there.  There was a similar sign at the
> > > Liberty Avenue trolley stop at the PRR Station.  And, there MAY have been
> > > a trolley route sign at the old B&O station (torn down in 1957) on the
> > > downtown side of the Smithfield St. Bridge.  I'll have to check my
> > > photos. I assume (hope) that these signs were saved.  Does anyone know
> > > their whereabouts?  I took a photo of the P&LE sign, but never
> > > photographed the sign at the PRR station.

> > > Bob 9/17

> > > ---------------------------------------------------------
> 
> > > On Sun, 17 Sep 2000 15:24:50 -0700 Jim Holland <pghpcc at pacbell.net>
> > > writes:

> > > >       This URL
> > > > http://gelwood.railfan.net/other/lightrail/pat-1676r.jpg shows
> > > > the P&LE Canopy.  It appears as though there were stairs leading down
> > > > to the railroad tracks so one might assume that P&LE built the canopy.
> > > > The sign under the clock reads *Eastern Standard Time.*  The railroads
> > > > *in-the-good-old-days* always ran on standard time so if this canopy was
> > > > owned and maintained by P&LE, then I assume that this clock remained on
> > > > Standard time 365-days a year - at least thru the end of PRCo and
> > > > probably into the next decade!
> > > >       Good assumption or No?!?!

James B. Holland

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