Visiting Toronto

[Greg King]

Yeah, way havn't they (Muni PCC in PRCo), given time they probably will,
shame they never bought the refurbished 4000's, they could use em.

Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Dietrich, Robert J. <bob.dietrich at unisys.com>
To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 5:37 AM
Subject: RE: Visiting Toronto


> WOW!  I've been exercising my prerogative and ignoring this Toronto thread
> when I noticed this posting.  I read it all the way through looking for my
> name and since I didn't find it - well I just had to respond.
>
> First I agree with Professor Jim that this list is supposed to be about
> Western PA traction interests.  Lets stick to the subject etc. etc. etc.
> But then I think what is wrong with wandering a little?  Last week, or
maybe
> a little before that, we had a thread going about what makes this a good
> list --  The knowledge of the subscribers and the respect we show each
> other.  I was convinced of that fact last year when I started asking all
> those stupid South Hills Junction questions, now I'm actually able to
> contribute, sometimes.
>
> So what harm is a little side trip once in awhile.  I would rather delete
> messages that don't interest me than loose the contributions of all you
> folks.  Then again if we get a post titled "Lets talk about BCER" it
should
> get forwarded it to Railspot and we (yes Jim I'm on that one also) can
> delete it from there.
>
> Thanks for listening.
>
> Bob
>
> P.S.  Why isn't anyone complaining that MUNI hasn't painted a PRCo PCC?
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Holland [mailto:pghpcc at pacbell.net]
> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 1:39 PM
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> Subject: Re: Visiting Toronto
>
> Greetings!
>
> Why start another list - lists already exist for talking  ANYTHING
> trolley international:::
>
> 1)--http://www.railspot.com hosts trolley at railspot.com.  Click on
> mailing lists and follow the instructions.  Hosted by Alex Postspischil.
>
> Pgh. list members already on this list include::
> A)--Derrick Brashear
> B)--Charles Brown
> C)--Don Galt
> D)--Greg King
> E)--Ray Lattner
> F)--Fred Sauerburger
> G)--John Swindler
> H)--Self
>
> 2)--http://www.egroups.com/mygroups hosts traction at egroups.com.
> This
> list is really just a duplicate of the one above.
> interurbans at egroups.com is supposed to be for, of all things,
> interurbans only!
>
> The Pgh. list was originally started for PRCo  ONLY - there were
> separate lists for West Penn and Johnstown.  It took considerable arm
> twisting  --  Derrick's arm  --  to include these three into one group.
> And this group  --  PRCo, WP, JTC  --  is generally considered to
> include the Greater Pittsburgh area and includes the Pgh. Butler
> interurbans and even Beaver and the Mon-WP as well.
>
> I found out about the Pgh. list because Derrick mentioned it on
> trolley at railspot.com.  I subscribed because it was specific to PRCo
> which is exactly what I wanted.  I started a campaign to get subscribers
> and asked Ken Josephson, Don Galt, Charles Brown and others to join
> because they had  DEFINITE interests in PRCo.  When I saw John Swindler
> and Fred Schneider on on the now defunct electric junction bulletin
> board, I invited them to join the Pgh. list as well.  I believe I
> invited Tom Parkinson and Bill Vigrass, but we don't hear from Bill
> anymore - he may have dropped.  Sorry if I have forgotten any names -
> Ray Lattner, Fred Sauerberger - but there may be others that I invited
> to join.  I may have even informed Ed Lybarger about the list.
> In private conversations, Ed Lybarger mentions that he has a
> definite
> interest in traction and its history, especially the social history, but
> is now limiting himself to PRCo and West Penn as there is still too much
> to learn about these systems and time is limited.  The PRCo list is an
> excellent place for that.
> I find the PRCo list a haven - a place where discussions center on
> my
> personal favorite system and my hometown system as well.  If I want
> other information, I have the other lists to go to.
>
> To write 4-5 paragraphs about the specifics of Toronto [substitute
> any
> system] and at the end say that Toronto and Pgh had the same color
> streetcars  --  therefore, we have just talked about Pgh  --  is total
> absurdity!
>
> And again, to justify a long thread about Toronto as the *price* we
> pay
> for gaining a new member is irrational.  Didn't know we paid to get new
> members.  This also implies that one individual has more value than
> another  --  and I absolutely do not buy into that!  Each member is just
> as valuable as the next whether contributor or lurker.
>
> The PRCo list is not at all about where the world ends - it simply
> defines what discussion takes place.
>
> And the PRCo list is not at all about being friends or enemies - it
> is
> just following the rules set up for the list.  We want everyone to obey
> the road rules, why not the list rules?  Not the same?  An old Proverb
> says that if we can't handle the little things, we won't do right by the
> larger things either!!
>
> If you want, any one here, any one on the internet, could easily
> start
> another trolley list at http://www.egroups.com/  or
> http://www.smartgroups.com or any of a variety of places - you don't
> need Derrick to do it for you.  There is no charge.  But the more lists
> of trolleys - the more you get the same people and the more that
> cross-posting takes place.  The above are not the ONLY traction lists
> but some others are extremely heavy on models which don't seem to be of
> interest here.  Nevertheless, some people will cross post to 3-5 lists
> so it is possible to end up with 3-5 identical messages.
>
> This is not new information - we have discussed it before.  I have
> given these listings of other trolley lists before - right here.  Many
> on this list know these lists but don't seem to share the information.
> I even give complete URLs where possible to make your sign-up easy.  It
> is just up to you now.
>
> > Fred W. Schneider III wrote:
>
> > YOU KNOW ME.  I'LL VOTE FOR A DIVERSION AT ANY TIME.  DOES THE WORLD
TRULY
> END
> > AT THE ALLEGHENY COUNTY LINE?  DERRICK, I THINK ITS TIME AGAIN TO SET UP
A
> NEW
> > LIST FOR THOSE OF US ... FRIENDS I HOPE ... WHO WANT TO TALK ABOUT OTHER
> > THINGS.
>
> > > > On 28 Sep 00, at 16:10, Kenneth Josephson wrote:
>
> > > > Well, TTC cars had a similar paint scheme to ***Pittsburgh's***
> original
> > > > paint scheme and, well, uh...never mind.....
>
> > > Donald Galt wrote:
>
> > > And didn't we determine a year or so ago that both Toronto and
> > > Pittsburgh had Jane Street destinations?
>
> > > And both are broad gauge. Not the same gauge, but broad.
>
> > > Did the thread maybe get started because of the hoped-for entry of
> > > Roger DuPuis into this group? A little drift would be a modest price
> > > to pay for that.
>
> > > D2
>
> James B. Holland
>
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