Visiting Toronto

[brathke at juno.com]

Jim,

Don't forget that you invited ME to join the list in Spring, 1999.  

Bob 9/29

---------------------------------

On Fri, 29 Sep 2000 10:38:38 -0700 Jim Holland <pghpcc at pacbell.net>
writes:
> Greetings!
> 
> 	Why start another list - lists already exist for talking  
> ANYTHING 
> trolley international:::
> 
> 	1)--http://www.railspot.com hosts trolley at railspot.com.  
> Click on
> mailing lists and follow the instructions.  Hosted by Alex 
> Postspischil.
> 
> 	Pgh. list members already on this list include::
> 		A)--Derrick Brashear
> 		B)--Charles Brown
> 		C)--Don Galt
> 		D)--Greg King
> 		E)--Ray Lattner
> 		F)--Fred Sauerburger
> 		G)--John Swindler
> 		H)--Self
> 
> 	2)--http://www.egroups.com/mygroups hosts 
> traction at egroups.com.  This
> list is really just a duplicate of the one above. 
> interurbans at egroups.com is supposed to be for, of all things,
> interurbans only!
> 
> 	The Pgh. list was originally started for PRCo  ONLY - there 
> were
> separate lists for West Penn and Johnstown.  It took considerable 
> arm
> twisting  --  Derrick's arm  --  to include these three into one 
> group. 
> And this group  --  PRCo, WP, JTC  --  is generally considered to
> include the Greater Pittsburgh area and includes the Pgh. Butler
> interurbans and even Beaver and the Mon-WP as well.
> 
> 	I found out about the Pgh. list because Derrick mentioned it 
> on
> trolley at railspot.com.  I subscribed because it was specific to PRCo
> which is exactly what I wanted.  I started a campaign to get 
> subscribers
> and asked Ken Josephson, Don Galt, Charles Brown and others to join
> because they had  DEFINITE interests in PRCo.  When I saw John 
> Swindler
> and Fred Schneider on on the now defunct electric junction bulletin
> board, I invited them to join the Pgh. list as well.  I believe I
> invited Tom Parkinson and Bill Vigrass, but we don't hear from Bill
> anymore - he may have dropped.  Sorry if I have forgotten any names 
> -
> Ray Lattner, Fred Sauerberger - but there may be others that I 
> invited
> to join.  I may have even informed Ed Lybarger about the list.
> 	In private conversations, Ed Lybarger mentions that he has a 
> definite
> interest in traction and its history, especially the social history, 
> but
> is now limiting himself to PRCo and West Penn as there is still too 
> much
> to learn about these systems and time is limited.  The PRCo list is 
> an
> excellent place for that.
> 	I find the PRCo list a haven - a place where discussions 
> center on my
> personal favorite system and my hometown system as well.  If I want
> other information, I have the other lists to go to.
> 
> 	To write 4-5 paragraphs about the specifics of Toronto 
> [substitute any
> system] and at the end say that Toronto and Pgh had the same color
> streetcars  --  therefore, we have just talked about Pgh  --  is 
> total
> absurdity!
> 
> 	And again, to justify a long thread about Toronto as the 
> *price* we pay
> for gaining a new member is irrational.  Didn't know we paid to get 
> new
> members.  This also implies that one individual has more value than
> another  --  and I absolutely do not buy into that!  Each member is 
> just
> as valuable as the next whether contributor or lurker.
> 
> 	The PRCo list is not at all about where the world ends - it 
> simply
> defines what discussion takes place.
> 
> 	And the PRCo list is not at all about being friends or 
> enemies - it is
> just following the rules set up for the list.  We want everyone to 
> obey
> the road rules, why not the list rules?  Not the same?  An old 
> Proverb
> says that if we can't handle the little things, we won't do right by 
> the
> larger things either!!
> 
> 	If you want, any one here, any one on the internet, could 
> easily start
> another trolley list at http://www.egroups.com/  or
> http://www.smartgroups.com or any of a variety of places - you don't
> need Derrick to do it for you.  There is no charge.  But the more 
> lists
> of trolleys - the more you get the same people and the more that
> cross-posting takes place.  The above are not the ONLY traction 
> lists
> but some others are extremely heavy on models which don't seem to be 
> of
> interest here.  Nevertheless, some people will cross post to 3-5 
> lists
> so it is possible to end up with 3-5 identical messages.
> 
> 	This is not new information - we have discussed it before.  
> I have
> given these listings of other trolley lists before - right here.  
> Many
> on this list know these lists but don't seem to share the 
> information. 
> I even give complete URLs where possible to make your sign-up easy.  
> It
> is just up to you now.
> 
> > Fred W. Schneider III wrote:
> 
> > YOU KNOW ME.  I'LL VOTE FOR A DIVERSION AT ANY TIME.  DOES THE 
> WORLD TRULY END
> > AT THE ALLEGHENY COUNTY LINE?  DERRICK, I THINK ITS TIME AGAIN TO 
> SET UP A NEW
> > LIST FOR THOSE OF US ... FRIENDS I HOPE ... WHO WANT TO TALK ABOUT 
> OTHER
> > THINGS.
> 
> > > > On 28 Sep 00, at 16:10, Kenneth Josephson wrote:
> 
> > > > Well, TTC cars had a similar paint scheme to 
> ***Pittsburgh's*** original
> > > > paint scheme and, well, uh...never mind.....
> 
> > > Donald Galt wrote:
> 
> > > And didn't we determine a year or so ago that both Toronto and
> > > Pittsburgh had Jane Street destinations?
> 
> > > And both are broad gauge. Not the same gauge, but broad.
> 
> > > Did the thread maybe get started because of the hoped-for entry 
> of
> > > Roger DuPuis into this group? A little drift would be a modest 
> price
> > > to pay for that.
> 
> > > D2
> 
> James B. Holland
> 
>         Pittsburgh  Railways  Company  (PRCo),   1930  --  1950
>     To e-mail privately, please click here: 
> mailto:pghpcc at pacbell.net
> N.M.R.A.  Life member #2190; http://www.mcs.net:80/~weyand/nmra/

-----------------------
Ask questions.
-----------------------

________________________________________________________________
YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET!
Juno now offers FREE Internet Access!
Try it today - there's no risk!  For your FREE software, visit:
http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.