[PRCo] Re: The_Queen

[John Swindler]

>John F Bromley commented:
>
>
>I don't disagree, but sometimes it gets to be too much.
>


Agreed.  That's why it makes it difficult for me.



>----- Original Message -----
>From: "John Swindler" <j_swindler at hotmail.com>
>To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
>Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 12:27 PM
>Subject: [PRCo] Re: The_Queen
>
>
> >
> >
> > Thanks, John
> >
> > For some reason it just 'jumped out' what the Baltimore quotation was
>really
> > saying.  Or wasn't saying.  And I just rambled on from there.
> >
> > Poor Jim.  Such a pleasant chap, and long time friend.  He's good 
>people.
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "John F Bromley" <johnfbromley at rogers.com>
> > >Reply-To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> > >To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
> > >Subject: [PRCo] Re: The_Queen
> > >Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 10:49:22 -0500
> > >
> > >
> > >Couldn't have put any of this better, John.  I tried to get Jim off 
>this
> > >with some early comments which, paraphrased to save space, added up to
> > >baloney,. but the suggestion wasn't taken well.  The SLCC PCC orders 
>(and
> > >others as well) are fully documented in From Horsecars to Streamliners"
>by
> > >Alan R Lind's book on SLCC.  De Nada for BTC after Order 1601, that's
> > >nothing in English.  No Baltimore car.  The 1600 was order 1646A,
>separated
> > >from the original order 1646 when Pittsburgh agreed to the demo
> > >all-electric.
> > >
> > >Guess everyone is cranky today.
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "John Swindler" <j_swindler at hotmail.com>
> > >To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
> > >Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 10:27 AM
> > >Subject: [PRCo] Re: The_Queen
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Note that the quotation states that the BTC president received
> > >permission
> > > > from the board to purchase one car from St. Louis.  I don't see any
> > >claim
> > >or
> > > > documentation that an order was actually placed with SLC.  However, 
>I
>do
> > >see
> > > > the quotation closing with much idle speculation.
> > > >
> > > > That's not history. That's not even research.  All it is is.....
>(well,
> > > > let's not go there).
> > > >
> > > > PCC orders were given 1600 series SLC order numbers, and I don't see
>any
> > > > post 1944 orders for BTC in the appendix VII of the Kashin/Demoro 
>PCC
> > >book.
> > > > Therefore, order never placed.  Further, quotation doesn't document
>that
> > >BTC
> > > > president was authorized to place the purchase.  What was the date 
>of
> > >the
> > > > board meeting??  Or was that fabricated also?
> > > >
> > > > As HHG once told me concerning a certain newsletter 'just stick with
>the
> > > > facts'.
> > > >
> > > > John  (ok, so it's Monday).
> > > >
> > > > p.s.  maybe some of us act like s.o.b.'s too often, but we are 
>trying
>to
> > > > suggest that one needs to do their homework.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: Jim Holland <pghpcc at pacbell.net>
> > > > >Reply-To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> > > > >To: "*-*> Transit--Fans" <Transit-Fans at Here-There-Everywhere.com>
> > > > >Subject: [PRCo] The_Queen
> > > > >Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:52:04 -0800
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Good Morning!
> > > > >
> > > > > The following is from another list  --  strictly FYI:::::::
> > > > >
> > > > ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
> > > > >
> > > > >Subject: Re: PRC 1600 Possibly Being A Baltimore Car
> > > > >
> > > > > The Board of Directors of The Baltimore Transit Company authorized
>an
> > > > >order for
> > > > >one sample post war all-electric car from The St.Louis Car Company 
>in
> > > > >September
> > > > >of 1944.   I quote from "The Best Way To Go - The History Of The
> > >Baltimore
> > > > >Transit Company" by Fr. Kevin A. Mueller,  "As late as September 5,
> > >1944,
> > > > >Bancroft Hill (BTC's President) must have had streetcars in mind 
>for
> > >the
> > > > >post
> > > > >war rehabilitation of the system because he requested and received
> > > > >permission
> > > > >from the board of directors to purchase one PCC car from the St.
>Louis
> > >Car
> > > > >Company.   The BTC wanted to acquire the SLCC PCC to try out a new
> > >braking
> > > > >system that had been developed on the car."   (The order for the 
>100
> > > > >Pullman
> > > > >cars had been authorized earlier on May 16, 1944.)   The St. Louis
>car
> > >was
> > > > >never
> > > > >delivered and suspect has it that the car was substantially built 
>and
> > >then
> > > > >offered to PRC at a special deal when the now NCL led BTC cancelled
>the
> > > > >order.
> > > > >This parallels the Pullman cars that were on their way towards
> > > > >construction, and
> > > > >then offered at special prices to other Companies.
> > > > >
> > > > ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
> > > > >
> > > > >--
> > > > ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
> > > > >
> > > > >James B. Holland
> > > > >
> > > > >Holland  Electric  Railway  Operation.......
> > > > >......"O"--Scale  St.-Petersburg Trams Company Trolleycars  AND...
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