1800 series

[Bob Rathke]

The PATrain coaches came from the Chesapeake & Ohio Ry. where they were originally
numbered in the 1600 series.

Bob 1/5


John Swindler wrote:

> Sounds like 45 (1800-1844) TDH 3501 buses acquired around 1966 as part of
> the PAT's Phase II fleet replacement.  Old look style, three speed
> transmission.  Lasted into mid-1970s.  Several got PAT's "mod" paint scheme
> in early 70s.
>
> Concerning 1600 rebuilding and renumbering into 1700 series, a railroad had
> repainted a locomotive into bicentenial motif in mid 1972.  Not to be
> outdone, when 1616 was rebuilt in late 1972, as promotion gimick, Harold
> Geissenheimer had it renumbered to 1776.  Have we forgotten Harold's long
> tenure with National Guard?
> Work on 1600s was much more extensive then on 1700s, which had received
> overhaul during 1970-72 using Early Action Program grant funds.  Rest of
> 1600 rebuilds just kind of naturally followed 1776.  But noting sacred about
> that:  don't forget that there was a car numbered "77/54".
>
> And didn't the B&O commuter railroad cars receive numbers in 1600s?
>
> John
>
> >From: "Edward H. Lybarger" <twg at pulsenet.com>
> >Reply-To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> >To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
> >Subject: RE: 1800 series
> >Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 11:03:07 -0500
> >
> >The 1800s were the little noisemakers from Generous Motors that rattled
> >around Mt. Lebanon and McKeesport.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> >[mailto:owner-pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org]On Behalf Of Jim Holland
> >Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 11:19 PM
> >To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> >Subject: Re: 1800 series
> >
> >
> >Greetings!
> >
> > > Bob Rathke wrote:
> >
> > > Why didn't PAT renumber the latest PCC rebuilds in the 1800, rather than
> > > the 4000, series?
> >
> >       Was there an 1800 series motor coach?
> >
> > > Better yet: back in the 70's, instead of the confusing renumbering of
> > > 1600s to the 1700 series, why didn't PAT simply renumber those rebuilds
> > > in the 1800 series?
> >
> >       This  *fits*  the  *rumor*  that I heard, although that rumor was
> >debunked by JC Swindler.
> >       The  *rumor*  stated that the Feds threatened to cut off all money if
> >they didn't overhaul 100-cars of the 1700-series so 16s were overhauled
> >and renumbered as 17s.
> >
> >       This was told to me by a ({[pat]}) operator almost 30-years ago.  I
> >usually accept comments like this at face value and place a white-flag
> >by it indicating that it should be confirmed or verified by other
> >sources.  Welllll, I never got that confirmation  --  and I never got
> >anything to contradict it.  So as time wore on, I just accepted it.
> >       While your question specifically wasn't asked before, this topic was
> >discussed before and John indicates that this rumor is unfounded.
> >
> >       But then we could also ask - why didn't they just overhaul the 16s and
> >renumber them as is?  There would have been gaps in the numbering is all
> >I can think of!
> >
> > > Could it be that they just didn't think of this alternative?
> >
> >       YES!! :->)
> >
> >James B. Holland
> >
> >         Pittsburgh  Railways  Company  (PRCo),   1930  --  1950
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