Missing Blocks of Car Numbers
Tom Phillips
tsquare at toad.net
Thu Jan 11 21:02:02 EST 2001
HI, JIM (AND FRED AND JOHN, TOO)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
[mailto:owner-pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org]On Behalf Of Jim Holland
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 5:13 PM
To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
Subject: Re: Missing Blocks of Car Numbers
Greetings!
First off, each of us comes from a different perspective:::::::
John has an accounting and business background and is a railfan but
with emphasis from the perspective of business and accounting.
Tom - don't know his background but he has an attention for details as
well as systematic categorization of equipment and then specifications.
Jim is a current transit employee and railfan with emphasis on
equipment, its specifications and details; overhead and trackwork!
TOM IS A RETIRED SALES ENGINEER HAVING WORKED FOR A MAJOR STEEL COMPANY FOR
35 YEARS. HE WAS BORN IN CHARLEROI IN 1929 AND LIVED THERE UNTIL 1935. HE
LIVED IN MT. LEBANON FROM 1941 UNTIL 1945 WHEN HE LEFT FOR SCHOOL. HE
SERVED
AS A LIEUTENANT IN THE ARMY ARTILLERY DURING THE KOREAN WAR. SINCE 1955, HE
HAS LIVED IN THE BALTIMORE/WASHINGTON AREA -- HIS PARENTS MAINTAINED A HOME
IN MT. LEBANON UNTIL 1963 AND, LATER, IN SHADYSIDE UNTIL 1984. BY
EDUCATION,
HE IS A GRADUATE CIVIL ENGINEER. ACCORDING TO THOSE WHO KNOW HIM, HE IS
EMINENTLY QUALIFIED AS A "TROLLEY FAN", HAVING BEEN ONE SINCE HIS INCEPTION
(OR CONCEPTION, AS THE CASE MAY BE) -- HIS FATHER OFTEN RELATED THE STORY AS
TO HOW HE HAD TO PULL TOM, AT AGE TWO, OUT OF A VERY BUSY INTERSECTION WHERE
HE HAD WANDERED TO "INSPECT" THE SPECIALWORK.
I would rather not discuss *from one perspective trying to prove that
perspective* but would like to bring forth *observations* from many
perspectives. Committees are supposed to work this way - tap into the
skills, talents, knowledge, wisdom, experience (etc.) of a wide variety
of people in problem solving. All observations, no matter how great or
small, should be listed. These are then compiled and made useful. I
would like to approach this topic in a similar manner.
That said:::::::
OK, I'M IN AGREEMENT -- THIS IS A LEARNING PROCESS FOR ALL!
> John Swindler wrote:
> there were two districts within the Car House Section of the Equipment
> Division:
> District One was the six east end car houses with 466 cars assigned in
1937.
> District Two was everything else with 384 cars assigned in 1937.
> And that should tell us something about the relative importance of the
> interurban lines within PRC management.
Yes and No -- it really only tells us that the Equipment Division was
divided into two districts, but it doesn't specify why. We are not
talking *Importance* but the fact that there is a recognized
separation between interurbans and city equipment as well as operators.
> And as for the "two separate lists" at Tunnel Car House, this involved
> employee seniority within the Traffic and Transportation Department: one
for
> city service and one for interurban service. But is that two lists at
Tunnel
> Carhouse or is that a Tunnel Car House seniority list and a Castle Shannon
> Car House seniority list which has been transferred to Tunnel
Carhouse?????
The latter doesn't matter -- the fact remains that they were
separate. AND Reasons could be both Union and Management:::::::
Yes, Union Seniority rules. But it is also advantageous to management
because of the length of the lines and the difference in operation from
the vast majority of city lines with all the peculiarities that an
operator would need to know.
THE CASTLE SHANNON CAR HOUSE, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, WAS "MOVED" TO (NOT MERGED
WITH) TUNNEL CAR HOUSE IN 1932 AS A COST-CUTTING EXPEDIENT AND, THEREFORE,
IT WAS NOT EXPECTED THAT SENIORITY LISTS, DISPATCHING OPERATIONS, AND OTHER
PREVIOUSLY SEPARATED ADMINISTRATIVE FUNCTIONS BE COMBINED -- HOWEVER, THERE
MAY HAVE BEEN SOME "POOLING" OF MAINTENANCE ACTIVITIES BUT, NO DOUBT, ON A
COST-PRORATED BASIS.
> Dr. Jim: What would happen at MUNI to your seniority for picking runs if
> you were to transfer to another depot, such as Geneva?
I keep my seniority and fall into place in Geneva.
In Portland, Oregon, when an operator//driver changes divisions he goes
to the bottom of the list in that new division - like changing companies
and starting all over.
BUT Muni wanted to kill this because it takes time and money to train
people in Geneva, now known as Metro - lrv division. And it would be
similar changing from city cars on PRCo to interurbans. It is an
advantage to management to limit this.
So what Muni did is this - install a bonus for *good drivers* -- but
a driver must be in the division for 5-continuous-years before being
eligible for the bonus. Change divisions -- diesel to diesel, TC to
TC, diesel to rail, TC to rail, rail to Diesel, rail to TC and you lose
that bonus for five years!
> But the real question is, who has a copy of the labor agreement between
ATU
> div. 85 and PRC from 1930s or 1940s?
But it is not the only question as seen above.
>> Tom asked:::::::
>> Question: Was there a division between GE and Westinghouse Jones Cars
>> such that only GE cars were located to the north and west like the GE
PCC's
>> were in later years.
> John responded:
> Keating K-control. And double end? K-control.
> Tylerdale HL control. And 3700s-3800s? HL control.
> And at Tunnel? HL control (look at Bob Dettrick's site: those are 5000s
at
> South Hills Jct.)
THUS, THE 3750-3758 (23-SEWICKLEY) (HL CONTROL) WERE NOT ASSIGNED TO KEATING
BECAUSE KEATING WAS A K-CONTROL BARN? -- WERE THE JONES CARS SEPARATED BY
GE/WESTINGHOUSE EQUIPMENT LIKE THE PCC's SYSTEM-WIDE?
Quite a few 4900s there, too, as well as 5432, 5200s, 4700s, and many
double enders. I have placed a listing of car numbers for low-floor
cars in Tunnel, Tylerdale, and Charleroi at the end of this email from
those *listed* in my photo albums. I have a dresser drawer full of
photos that are not yet cataloged!!
I RECALL SEEING 4300's, 4700's, 4900's 5000's AND 5400's OPERATING ON
38-MT.lEBANON IN THE 1940's, 4210 ON 38-A, AND RECALLING THAT THE 5500'S
WERE ON THE NORTHSIDE. DON'T REMEMBER THE 5100'S AND 5200'S. NEVER SAW
A 4400!
> And one final question for the trivia fans. So what were the initial cars
> assigned to Charleroi-Pittsburgh service???
Don't know about *initial* necessarily, but home builds of 2-cars
spliced together, 2000 and 2001??
CAN'T HELP ON THIS ONE - BUT I DO RECALL HAVING SEEN A PHOTO SHOWING ONE OF
THESE "SPLICED" CARS IN CHARLEROI -- BELIEVE IT WAS IN THE JULY 1952
(ISSUE 20) OF "ELECTRIC RAILROADS", THE ERA PUBLICATION.
SUMMARY -- So Far:::::::
We can see divisions in PRCo based on:::::::
1)--Management - two equipment Divisions.
2)--Accounting
3)--Operational - City vs Interurban.
4)--Mechanical -
a. according to equipment type.
b. according to equipment controls.
c. other
5)--Other
Definitely not an exhaustive list or Summary, but it is important to
note that No One Way of Separating Out Whatever is any more important
than another and even though separations may differ from one group to
another, there is reason and function for those separations. The
separations served a purpose for at least one group - management --
union -- mechanics -- etc -- and sometimes served the purposes of
a combination of those groups.
HERE, AGAIN -- THIS IS AN EXERCISE OF ONE OR MORE "RAILFANS" TRYING TO
"GET INTO THE HEAD" OF MANAGEMENT TO ASCERTAIN ITS THINKING PROCESS
AFTER ALL, ONE ASPECT OF THIS HOBBY IS LEARNING WHAT CONSTITUTED PRCo's
DECISION-MAKING PROCESS AND HOW IT MIGHT APPLY IN TODAY'S WORLD UNDER
LIKE CIRCUMSTANCES. (WHAT A NOBLE THOUGHT! -- JUST HAD TO GET IT IN
FOR FRED'S BENEFIT!) (TONGUE-IN-CHEEK, FRED.)
The separation of interurban equipment from city equipment was carried
on thru PCC days and even into early ({[pat]]) days! ONE DID NOT
assign interurban equipment to city lines except in very rare instances
and certainly not without reason.
I lived one stop inbound of the 42-Dormont wye for 17-years from
1946--1963 and only remember 2 different instances when an interurban
car was actually assigned to the line: first was mid-1950s, a
1600-interurban without a 42-sign so it just said Pittsburgh - AM-rush.
And a 17 was assigned one extremely snowy evening in the very late 1950s
because they supposedly tracked better.
YES -- there probably were other instances, but the fact that a
railfan who was near the tracks as much as possible can only identify
2-times in 17 years is quite phenomenal!
The above has nothing to do with importance but recognizes the fact
that interurban cars were set aside for specific service - and that was
honored all the way through.
I NEVER saw an interurban car assigned to the 38-line.
I AGREE, JIM -- BUT I DO RECALL SEEING OUTBOUND 3800'S PLYING THE 38
LINE DURING LABOR WEEKEND (COUNTY FAIR AT SOUTH PARK) IN 1948 AND 1949)
THEY WERE JUST BARELY ABLE TO MAKE THE TURN FROM WASHINGTON ROAD INTO
CLEARVIEW LOOP BECAUSE OF A LINE POLE, LATER MOVED, ALONG THE SIDE WALK.
The interurbans did use the 38-line inbound in the evening rush to prevent
a bottleneck with all the sidings on Overbrook, but these were not
assigned to service on the 38-line.
THAT WAS A TOUGH ONE - DIDN'T THE 38-MT.LEBANON CARS LAY OVER ON THE
INBOUND LEG OF CLEARVIEW LOOP THEREBY CREATING A BLOCKAGE FOR THE INBOUND
INTERURBANS -- THESE MUST HAVE BEEN EMPTY TRIPPERS RETURNING TO TCH --
I DOUBT THAT LOADED INTERURBANS WOULD HAVE BEEN SUBJECTED TO THE BLOCKAGE.
AS an aside - I purchased quite a few albums for displaying photos
solely of PRCo. I have two albums for each of the following AND
Please NOTE the album numbers:::::::
I WOULD SURE LIKE TO SEE THESE ALBUMS SOMETIME.
A001 - Charleroi
A002 - Charleroi
A003 - Washington
A004 - Washington
A005 - Little Washington
A006 - Little Washington
A011 - South Hills
A012 - South Hills
A013 - West End
A014 - West End
A015 - North Side
A016 - North Side
A017 - East End
A018 - East End
A023 - PAT
A024 - PAT
Library forward of June--1953 and Drake forward of August--1953 are in
the South Hills albums.
Before some railfan in the year 2050 looks at my list and tries to
decide why I skip from A006 to A011, let me say this:::::::
I saved the block of numbers from and including A007--A010 for
INTERURBAN ALBUMS -- AND specifically the Charleroi and Washington
INTERURBANS -- NOT Library and Drake!! (Only South Hills and East End
have both albums full; others are just one album).
I think it is perfectly logical that PRCo skipped from 3600s to 4000s
to save the intervening blocks of numbers for interurban service to keep
the numbering of the same equipment type together - this serves a
purpose, and has nothing to do with importance. Has nothing to do with
controls, trucks, motors, electrical gear - those divisions -
separations - distinctions - classifications can be made elsewhere to
serve other purposes. I can't prove it - and at this point, it can't be
disproved either.
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4200 *36E West end near Caldwell East / West front 1950.03.12
4207 *35D Donora OB left front 1946.03.31
4207 *35D Donora OB left front 1946.03.31
4207 *35D On Riverview loop right front 1950.06.01
4207 *35D On Riverview loop right front 1950.06.01 A001-074 SCP
PGH-0223 8B
4207 *36J Entering spur into Washington Park left front 1952.09.07
A005-049 RRE PN-12666 8B
4208 *35D Black Diamond Jct IB front distant & 1722 1952.06.12 A001-110
NRHS NJ-098(2) 8B
4208 *35D Black Diamond Jct IB left front leaving prw & single track
1952.06.12 A001-109 NRHS NJ-097(2) 8B
4210 38A Changing ends at Clearview loop (38 terminal) 1944.06.30
A012-095C SCP PGH-0195 3B
4293 53 18th & Sarah right front mid distance & horse car M0275
1916.06.30 A011-063 PRMA-C 8B
43-- *36E View Main & Beau from high up in George Washington Hotel
1940.06.30 A003-009B ERA 3B
43-- *36E View Main & Beau from high up in George Washington Hotel
1940.06.30 A005-009 ERA 3B
43-- *36J Two city cars passing on siding on bridge over PRR distant
1952 A005-025C SCP PGH-0134 3B
43-- *36J Jefferson NB front distant 1952.07.23 A005- Russel Schramm
5B
4308 48 Entering tunnel IB rear view & 5415 1939.07.04 A012-066 PRMA-C
Excellent 8B
4345 38A Castle Shannon terminal right front 1952.07.06 A012-095A HAS
PIC-2135 Laser print 3C
4350 *35D Black Diamond Jct OB right front entering single track
1947.05.21 A001-069A NRHS NJ-005(1) 5B
4350 *35D First/McKean Donora changing ends right front IB 1947.05.21
A001-107 NRHS NJ-006(1) 8B
4350 *35D Black Diamond Jct OB on switch right front very low 1950.07.24
A001-076 RRE PN-12618 8B
4350 *35D Rt 837 side of road SB distant and Monongahela River
1952.06.30 A001- X 8C
4353 *36E On Beau at Shaffer & wye left front view 1951. A005-039B SCP
PGH-0240 3B
4353 *36J On Main near Maiden OB left front 1951.09.19 A005-046 RRE
PN-12625 8B
4353 *36J Chestnut IB approach Main right front 1952.07.23 A005- Russel
Schramm Excellent 5B
4353 *36J Jefferson terminal left rear SB & 1700 1952.07.23 A005- Russel
Schramm Very Good 5B
4354 *36J Terminal Washington Park front 1945 A005-050 MDM N37997
Excellent! Excellent! 8B
4354 *36J On Main at Beau heading to Maiden right front 1947.07.04
A005-045 NRHS NJ-099 8B
4354 *36J Jefferson terminal right front distant 1948 A005-025A SCP
PGH-0215 3B
4354 *36J Right front at switch to Wash Park Maiden & Dunn view
1948.06.01 A005-026C SCP PGH-0216 3B
4354 *36J Jefferson terminal right front snow 1950.03.12 A005-029
A005-028 3C
4354 *36J Jefferson terminal right front snow 1950.03.12 A005-028 SCP
PGH-0077 A005-025B 8B
4354 *36J Jefferson terminal right front snow 1950.03.12 A005-025B SCP
PGH-0077 A005-028 3B
4354 *36J Jefferson terminal Little Washington right front 1950.05.30
A005-027 8C
4354 *36J Washington Park Little Washington left rear 1950.07.04
A005-023 TF 1994.03 3B
4354 *36J On Main at Beau heading to Maiden right front 1952.09.10
A005-044 RRE PN-12671 8B
4355 *36E Terminal East Beau left rear changing ends A005-058 8C
4355 *36E Caldwell Ave terminal front view snow 1950. A005-040A SCP
PGH-0254 3B
4355 *36E East Terminal right front 1950.05.20 A005-042A MDM N28281
Excellent! 5B
4356 *36E Terminal East Beau left rear changing ends 1950.07.24 A005-059
RRE PN-12615 8B
4356 *36J Jefferson IB left front 1948.07.20 A005-030 MDM N20927 8B
4357 *35D Leaving prw OB Donora left front low light rain 1950.07.24
A001-079 RRE PN-12617 8B
4357 *36J West of 3rd St Siding OB right front 1947.05.19 A005-082 NRHS
NJ-008(1) 8B
4360 *36J Crossing Beau on Main toward Maiden left front 1947.07.04
A005-043 NRHS NJ-100(2) 8B
4360 *36J Maiden & B&O underpass WB right front & 2nd car EB 1952.07.23
A005- Russel Schramm 8B
4360 *SH-36J Palm Garden yard right front 1948.04.07 A011-071 HAS
PI-1005 8B
4361 *36E Eastbound on Beau at wye right front A005-056 8C
4363 *36J Washington Park Little Washington right front & Charter car
1940.06.30 A005-009 ERA 3B
4363 *36J Washington Park Little Washington right front & Charter car
1940.06.30 A003-009A ERA 3B
4363 *36J Front distant terminal Washington Park 1948.06.01 A005-026D
SCP PGH-0217 3B
4363 *36J On Main leaving Maiden approaching Beau right front 1951.09.19
A005-051 RRE PN-12626 8B
4363 *36J Maiden Street OB right front 1952.07.04 A005-048 RRE
PN-12649 8B
4363 *36J Turning Jefferson to Chestnut IB left front 1952.07.05
A005-031 RRE PN-12651 8B
4363 *36J On Main at Chestnut northbound (OB) right front 1952.07.05
A005-078 RRE PN-12656 Excellent! 8B
4363 *36J Main approach Beau NB right front mid-distant snow 1952.12.02
A005- Russel Schramm 5B
4363 *36J Main approach Beau NB right front snow 1952.12.02 A005- Russel
Schramm 5B
4363 *T36 Tylerdale yard left side & 4375 & 1619 1952.07.23 A003- Russel
Schramm Excellent 8B
4369 *35D First/McKean Donora changing ends IB right rear 1950.07.24
A001-106 RRE PN-12616 8B
4369 *C35D Leaving Charleroi Car House left front 1941.08.30 A001-101
HAS PI-0354 8B
4372 *36J Maiden left front mid-distant 1952.07.23 A005- Russel
Schramm 5B
4372 *36J Main & Beau NB left front good sun 1952.07.23 A005- Russel
Schramm Excellent 5B
4375 *36E On Beau passing wye heading east right front view 1945
A005-041B MDM N37996 5B
4375 *36J Turning Chestnut to Main left front A005-025D PRMA-C 3B
4375 *36J Maiden Street OB left front 1952.07.05 A005-047 RRE PN-12652
8B
4375 *T36 Tylerdale yard right side partial & 1619 & 1704 & 1709
1952.07.23 A003- Russel Schramm Very Good 8B
4375 *T36 Tylerdale yard left side & 1619 & 4363 1952.07.23 A003- Russel
Schramm Excellent 8B
4376 *36J Jefferson Terminal layover track & 1706 northbound 1950.06.01
A005-085 SCP PGH-0135 8B
4376 *36J SB Jefferson terminal right rear & 1706 1950.06.01 A005-071D
SCP PGH-0135 3B
4378 *36E Caldwell Ave East / West beyond W. Chestnut terminal left rear
1948. A005-039C SCP PGH-0218 3B
4378 *36E East Beau terminal Caldwell & Green left front 1948. A005-039A
SCP PGH-0219 3B
4378 *36E Terminal East Beau & Morgan right front 1952.06.12 A005-057
NRHS NJ-102(2) 8B
4378 *36E Westbound on Chestnut crossing Jefferson right side 1952.09.08
A005-081 RRE PN-12672 8B
4378 *36J Chestnut westbound left rear 1952.07.23 A005- Russel Schramm
Very Good 5B
4378 *36J Maiden right front mid distant 1952.07.23 A005- Russel
Schramm Very Good 5B
4379 *36E On West Chestnut? right front 1947.07.04 A005-062 NRHS
NJ-103(2) 8B
4379 *36E On West Chestnut? right front 1947.10.19 A005-061 HAS
PI-0342 8B
4379 *36E West end near Caldwell East / West front view snow 1950.03.12
A005-040D SCP PGH-0076 3B
4379 *36E West end near Caldwell front snow 1950.03.12 A005-040B SCP
PGH-0067 3B
4379 *36E West Chestnut Street East / West left front view 1952.07.06
A005-039D SCP PGH-0083 3B
4379 *36J Turning Main to Chestnut northbound (OB) right front
1950.07.24 A005-079 RRE PN-12614 8B
4379 *36J Jefferson & chestnut IB left front mid distant 1952.07.23
A005- Russel Schramm Very Good 5B
4381 *36J Washington Park Little Washington right front 1948.07.04
A001-033-4 ERA 3B
4381 *36J Washington Park Little Washington right front 1948.07.04
A003-017-4 ERA 3B
4383 *36J Maiden terminal left front 1952.07.23 A005- Russel Schramm
Very Good 5B
4383 *36N Turning Main to Beau right side 1947.07.04 A005-052 NRHS
NJ-104(2) 8B
4383 *36N Locust Ave terminal North Washington right front view
1948.06.01 A005-071A SCP PGH-0220 3B
4383 *36N Turning from Chestnut to Main left front behind 4384
1952.06.12 A005-033 NRHS NJ-105(2) 8B
4383 *36N Turning from College onto Chestnut IB right front 1952.07.05
A005-055 RRE PN-12654 8B
4383 *36N On College OB approaching Chestnut right front 1952.07.05
A005-054 RRE PN-12655 8B
4383 *36N Beau east rear passing 1701 1952.07.23 A005- Russel Schramm
Very Good 5B
4383 *36N On Beau at wye left rear & 1646 & 1614 1952.07.27 A005-053
8B
4384 *36E Chestnut at Main IB right front 1952.07.05 A005-032 RRE
PN-12650 8B
4384 *36J On Main leaving Chestnut IB left front & 4383 1952.06.12
A005-033 NRHS NJ-105(2) 8B
4384 *36J Jefferson IB left front mid distant 1952.07.23 A005- Russel
Schramm 5B
4384 36E On Beau approaching wye heading west left front view 1950.05.20
A005-042B MDM N22308 Very Good 5B
4386 *35D Changing ends end of line left rear 1948.01.04 A001-080 HAS
PI-0349 8B
4386 *35D Pigeon Creek Bridge Donora left front 1950.06.01 A001-068D SCP
PGH-0224 3B
4387 *35D Bridge #1 IB left front distant 1948.07.01 A001-033-5 ERA 3B
4387 *35D Bridge #1 IB left front distant 1948.07.01 A003-017-5 ERA 3B
4387 *35D Bridge #1 northbound to Donora shuttle 1952.07.27 A001- ERA
8B
4389 *36E East Beau at College Westbound right front 1946.08.31 A005-060
HAS PI-0364 8B
4391 38A Castle Shannon terminal right front & M0552 1948.06.30
A012-095B SCP PGH-0242 3B
4359 32 Left front nr Mt Wash Incline IB on Carson nr S Hills Tunnel
1944.06.30 A013-034 BR? 8C
4234 32 Right front OB wrong track changing ends nr South Hills Tunnel
1944.03.27 A013-035 RRE PN-12604 Very Good 8B
4391 32 Carson St. nr South Hills Tunnel left rear OB taking crossover
1944.02.05 A013-036 BR? 8C
4380 32 Carson / Smithfield wrong track left rear changing ends view
1950.07.01 A013-037 PRMA-C ESM Excellent 8B
4700 *35 Castle Shannon wye right front low 1947.05.30 A001-056 HAS
PI-0306 8B
4767 SH-44 Right front close A012-087A SCP PGH-0203 Very Good 5B
4843 42 Palm Garden Trestle IB left front mid distant view foggy day
1938.07.04 A012- JB PG-036 Excellent 8B
49-- 38 IB left side distant turning W. Liberty to Rte 51 nr Liberty
Tubes 1938.11.01 A012-096A William D. Volkmer 3B
49-- 38 W. Liberty & Rte 51 IB 1000 or 1100 series PCC & Jones car
1939.06.30 A012-128 PRMA-C View Liberty Tubes 8B
4901 42 Smithfield / Carson OB left front mid distant view 1952.07.23
A012- PRMA-C 1999 Excellent 8B
4913 SH-38 Right front close in yard 1949.05.29 A012-132 RRE PN-01048
Excellent 8B
4914 48 Arr SHJ IB left side view 1952.07.06 A012-074D SCP PGH-0070 3B
4918 SH North end of yard right front view & 1545 1947.08.12 A012-080C
SCP PGH-0013 3B
4919 *35 Castle Shannon wye right front 1944.08.31 A001-033-3 ERA 3B
4919 *35 Castle Shannon wye right front 1944.08.31 A003-017-3 ERA 3B
4921 *35 Turning from Water to Smithfield St. Bridge OB right front
1948.06.27 A001-038B NRHS NJ-108(2) 5B
4921 *35 Near West Library southbound left front 1952.07.06 A001-067A
SCP PGH-0068 3B
4928 SH North end of yard right front & other cars & 1545 1947.08.12
A012-080B SCP PGH-0012 3B
5001 38 Left front IB very early light approach north yard junction 19
A012-144 BR Poor light 8C
5028 47 SHJ IB left front 1952.07.03 A011-158 RRE PN-12647 Excellent 8B
5028 CK-77 Carrick Car House right front & 1450 & 1453 A011-060B NRHS
NJ 5B
5042 42 Right front IB at Hillsdale Ave on prw 1952.07.06 A012-097D SCP
PGH-0071 3B
5042 42 Left front IB leaving Cape May trestle on prw Beechview
1952.07.06 A012-098A SCP PGH-0080 3B
5042 42 Left front IB leaving Cape May trestle on prw Beechview
1952.07.06 A012- SCP PGH-0080 8B
5046 48 SHJ Car Stop OB right front view 1952.07.06 A012-073C SCP
PGH-0081 3B
5211 42 Passing interurban stop OB right front high 1952.07.06 A012-076
SCP PGH-0078 8B
5211 42 Passing interurban stop OB right front high 1952.07.06 A012-041B
SCP PGH-0078 3B
5247 39 IB Smithfield Bridge near P&LE terminal left front view
1937.06.01 A012-162 HAS PI-0435 8B
5415 44 Exiting tunnel OB front view & 4308 1939.07.04 A012-066 PRMA-C
Excellent 8B
5416 *35 Hillcrest OB right front low 1948.05.30 A001-050D TT-154 LPC
3B
5417 *35 Castle Shannon IB right front & 5426 1952.07.02 A001-127 RRE
PN-12627 8B
5417 42 Northbound near station high left front 1952.07.06 A012-157C SCP
PGH-0082 3B
5422 *35 SHJ pulling out near station high left front view 1952.07.06
A001-135D SCP PGH-0074 3B
5426 *35 Castle Shannon Loop IB left front & 5417 on main line IB
1952.07.02 A001-127 RRE PN-12627 8B
5426 *37 Castle Shannon loop left front 1952.07.02 A001-128 RRE
PN-12628 8B
5426 SH North end of yard left rear view & 16 interurban 1952.07.06
A012-082C SCP PGH-0084 3B
5432 38 Clearview Loop OB mostly front 1952.07.06 A012-095D SCP
PGH-0072 3B
5432 38 Clearview Loop OB mostly front 1952.07.06 A012-107 SCP
PGH-0072 8B
5432 38A IB on trestle near Clearview Loop 1952.07.06 A012-108 MDM
N22309 Excellent 8B
5435 SHJ Northbound near station high left front 1952.07.06 A012-157B
SCP PGH-0079 3B
5443 42 OB SHJ right side high 1235 & another PCC 1952. A012-054 SCP
8C
5444 SH Right front close in yard 1949.05.29 A012-135 RRE PN-01049
Excellent 8B
5454 38 Exiting tunnel OB left front with track crew IB 1948.02.23
A012-085B NRHS NJ Excellent 5B
5506 *35 Mesta OB right front Fair Days 1950.09.01 A001- Nixon PG-00038
Good 8B
6000-1 PLAN HO side interior end 1928.06.30 A012-103A PRMA PE 6000-5
5B
6000-2 38 Right front close builders photo with "E> Pittsburgh"
destination 1928.06.30 A012-102 PRMA PE 6000-4 3B
6000-2 TRUCK Osgood Bradley 1928.06.30 A012-100B PRMA PE 6000-2 3B
6000-2 TXT 3 cars on scrap track in 1940; 6000 convert to diner Allison
Park 1940.03.31 A012-106 PRMA PE 6000-8 8B
6001-2 38 Interior Cab 1928.06.30 A012-100A PRMA PE 6000-2 5B
6001-2 38 OB Grant approaching 7th right front close 1928.06.30
A012-101B PRMA PE 6000-3 5B
6001-2 38 Interior looking to rear 1928.06.30 A012-101A PRMA PE 6000-3
5B
6001-2 38 Right front close Special 1928.06.30 A012-099A PRMA PE
6000-1 5B
6001-2 TRUCK Timken Detroit 1928.06.30 A012-100C PRMA PE 6000-2 3B
6002-2 38 Rear end 1929.06.30 A012-105D PRMA PE 6000-7 3B
6002-2 38 Interior Cab 1929.06.30 A012-105A PRMA PE 6000-7 3B
6002-2 38 Front end 1929.06.30 A012-105C PRMA PE 6000-7 3B
6002-2 38 Interior looking to rear 1929.06.30 A012-105B PRMA PE 6000-7
3B
6002-2 38 Right front with passengers entering - exiting 1929.06.30
A012-105E PRMA PE 6000-7 5B
6002-2 38 Right front closeSpecial 1929.06.30 A012-099B PRMA PE 6000-1
5B
6002-2 PLAN HO side interior 1929.06.30 A012-103B PRMA PE 6000-5 5B
6002-2 TXT Foot pedals, reverser, overhead of truck, descriptive text
1929.06.30 A012-104 PRMA PE 6000-6 8B
B-3 *TRUCK St. Louis Car builders photo 1946.00.00 A003-044 INL 3B
B-3 *TRUCK Description of B-3 truck 1946.00.00 A003-045 INL 8B
F-- *36 Grant & First right front partial 1916.06.30 A003-030B PRMA
PCP 5B
F-- *V Kuhlman Car Co builders photo freight motor side 19 A003-088A MDM
N10078 5B
F1 *36 Duquesne Way Freight Terminal right front 1941.02.05 A003-033D
SCP PGH-0145 3B
F4 *SH Palm Garden South Hills yard right front snow 1940.12.25
A001-032B ERA 3B
F4 *SH Palm Garden South Hills yard right front snow 1940.12.25
A003-015B ERA 3B
F4 *SH Palm Garden right front snow 1941.00.00 A003-035B SCP PGH-0146
3B
F6 *C Freight motor ex-3551, ex W&C 201 left front 1941.08.30 A001-098A
MDM N28288 5B
F6 *C Freight motor ex-3551, ex W&C 201 left front 1941.08.30 A001-099A
NRHS NJ-010(1) 5B
F6 *SH Palm Garden right front ex-3551, ex W&C 201 1941.00.00 A003-035C
SCP PGH-0147 3B
F7 *SH South Hills yard left rear ex-3552, ex W&C 202 1940.05.30
A001-032C ERA 3B
F7 *SH South Hills yard left rear ex-3552, ex W&C 202 1940.05.30
A003-015C ERA 3B
F8 *SH Palm Garden right front ex-3553, ex W&C 203 1941.00.00 A003-035D
SCP PGH-0148 3B
James B. Holland
Pittsburgh Railways Company (PRCo), 1930 -- 1950
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