[PRCo] Re: ROUTE LIST PROJECT

Thu Jul 5 17:26:53 EDT 2001

As a guess for dating this map, how about after 1916 and prior to 1919?

Reason is that North and South Highland not shown separately.  I've seen a 
reference about some route consolidation around 1916 to reduce congestion in 
East Liberty, but no details as to what that entailed.

However, 98 Larimer shown as separate route.  Under complaint docket 1571, 
98 Larimer was to be discontinued as separate route and 86 East Liberty 
Express extended over the Larimer Ave. Loop.  (To further reduce East 
Liberty congestion) Concurrently, four additional cars were placed on 
Forbes-Shady-Penn routes 79 and 91 to replace the 98 service on Penn Ave.  
98 was a Penn Ave. through route between downtown and East Liberty.

At least, this is as ordered by PSC on May 28th, 1918.  It will be awhile 
before manage to muddle way through Pittsburgh Dispatch to see if ordered 
changes actually took place.

I really need to visit PUC to have a look at testimony and exhibits included 
under this PSC complaint docket 1571 of 1918.

John

>From: "John F Bromley" <johnfbromley at home.com>
>Reply-To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>To: "Pittsburgh Railways Group" <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
>CC: "Lybarger Ed" <twg at pulsenet.com>
>Subject: [PRCo] ROUTE LIST PROJECT
>Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 16:06:21 -0400
>
>It's been quiet lately (too quiet?).  Time to shake things up[.   Is Ed 
>still off-group?  Someone send him a personal copy (oh wait, that'd be me)
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>OK, I know I said I was working on the list and I am, if sporadically, at 
>the moment.  I'll get to it and everyone will get a copy that asks for it 
>(wait'll I say I'm done, please).  Toio many new slides and negatioves 
>acquired and waiting to be assimilated (sounds like the Borg).  When the 
>negative list of new acquisitions is available, about half will be spares 
>and available (no Pittsburgh) - write me off-line for a list (wait two 
>weeks, please).
>
>Today the route list project got much more interesting (at least for me).  
>In the last week of June someone advertised a piece on eBay and described 
>it as a "Pittsburgh Railways Company Charter".  That was intriguing enough 
>for me to look and it turned out to be an old route map.  The seller had no 
>data, and no date, on it, and I sort of took it to be an earlier version of 
>the well-known 1950s document.  Well, it was - earlier that is - and it's a 
>great piece (I won it after slugging it out with Russ Cashdollar who's 
>known to want to buy everything that shows up for PRC).  I had hoped for 
>something in the 1940s but one statement in the twelve-page brochure 
>suggests it's a bit earlier than that.  As well as the map there are some 
>very nice route names and descriptions, and a lot of other data:
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>(1) an interurban timetable for Charleroi and Washington,
>(2) a couple of "did you know" pages with all sorts of stuff,
>(3) reasons why PRC consolidated routes in Wilkinsburg and Highland 
>Districts
>(4) some facts and figures
>
>and a statement about their modern cars which reads:
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>" NEW CARS
>
>There are 251 modern, low floor, center entrance all steel motor cars of 
>Pittsburgh Railways design now in service on various routes of the system.  
>240 additional cars of similar design embodying the latest improvements for 
>the safety and comfort of passengers are now under construction at the car 
>builders."
>
>OK, all you experts - if that won't date this map, nothing will.  What say 
>you?
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>And, for those that can't wait (hi, Jim), here are the routes listed 
>(familiar ones and all - complete), direct from the document:
>
>1      SPRING GARDEN AVENUE
>2      MILLVALE AND ETNA
>3      MILLVALE
>4      TROY HILL
>5      LOWRIE AND GARDNER
>6      BRIGHTON ROAD (to Pennsylvania Station)
>7      CHARLES STREET
>7      CHARLES TO BRIGHTRIDGE
>8      PERRYSVILLE AVENUE
>9      PERRYSVILLE TO CHARLES
>10    WEST VIEW-BELLEVUE
>11    EAST STREET and MADISON AVENUE
>12    EAST AND EVERGREEN ROAD
>13    EMSWORTH
>14    AVALON
>15    BELLEVUE-WEST VIEW
>16    RODGERS AND FOREST
>18    UNION LINE
>19    WESTERN AVENUE
>20    REEDSDALE STREET (REBECCA)
>21    FINEVIEW (NUNNERY HILL)
>23    SEWICKLEY EXPRESS
>24    CORAOPOLIS
>25    ISLAND AVENUE
>26    WEST PARK
>27    CARNEGIE
>28    CRAFTON JUNCTION ONLY
>29    CRAFTON AND THORNBURG
>30    CRAFTON-INGRAM-SHERIDAN
>31    SHERIDAN-INGRAM-CRAFTON
>32    SHERIDAN ONLY
>33    MT WASHINGTON VIA WEST END
>34    ELLIOTT
>35    LORENZ AVENUE ONLY
>37    CASTLE SHANNON AND FAIR HAVEN
>38    CASTLE SHANNON AND MT LEBANON
>39    BROOKLINE
>40    MT WASHINGTON VIA TUNNEL
>41    SHILOH STREET ONLY
>42    BEECHVIEW
>43    NEELD AVENUE
>44    KNOXVILLE (from PA Station, but not in the name)
>45    KNOXVILLE VIA THIRD AVENUE
>46    CARRICK AND KNOXVILLE
>47    SOUTHERN AND McKINLEY
>48    ARLINGTON AVENUE
>49    BELTZHOOVER (note: ALL routes 37-49 via the Tunnel)
>50    CARSON TO 30TH STREET
>51    CARSON TO 22ND STREET
>52    CARSON TO 36TH STREET
>53    SUBURBAN
>54    CARRICK AND FORBES STREET ONLY
>55    HOMESTEAD AND EAST PITTSBURGH
>56    McKEESPORT
>57    GLENWOOD ONLY
>58    GREENFIELD AVENUE
>60    HOMESTEAD VIA SHADY
>61    EAST LIBERTY-HAZELWOOD AVENUE
>63    TRAFFORD EXPRESS
>64    WILKINSBURG AND EAST PITTSBURGH
>65    BELL AND JONES
>66    WILKINSBURG VIA FORBES STREET
>67    SWISSVALE, RANKIN, BRADDOCK
>68    DUQUESNE AND McKEESPORT
>71    CENTER AND NEGLEY
>72    BLOOMFIELD (OUTSIDE LOOP)
>73    HIGHLAND PARK
>75    OAKLAND, E. LIBERTY, WILKINSBURG
>76    HAMILTON AVENUE (cars marked "SHORT" go to Wood and Tioga only)
>79    FORBES, SHADY AND PENN (OUTSIDE LOOP)
>80    FORBES AND MURRAY
>81    ATWOOD STREET
>82    CENTER AND LINCOLN
>83    CENTER AND HERRON
>85    WYLIE AND BEDFORD
>86    EAST LIBERTY EXPRESS
>87    ARDMORE (from East Liberty)
>88    FRANKSTOWN (cars marked "SHORT" go to Wood and Tioga only)
>89    FRANKSTOWN AND 22ND STREET
>91    FORBES, SHADY, PENN (INSIDE LOOP)
>92    BLOOMFIELD (INSIDE LOOP)
>93    ALLEGHENY VALLEY (Butler St)
>94    SHARPSBURG, ASPINWALL
>95    SHARPSBURG, 22ND STREET
>96    PENN-NEGLEY VIA BUTLER
>98    LARIMER AVENUE
>
>Then, not listed, but acknowledged elsewhere, are the shuttles and/or 
>transfer routes:
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>CHARLES STREET TRANSFER
>COREY AVENUE
>EAST PITTSBURGH AND TRAFFORD CITY
>GLASSPORT & WILMERDING
>HAYS STATION TRANSFER
>HEIDELBERG
>HOMEVILLE
>P & L E TRANSFER
>SCHOENVILLE TRANSFER
>SHADY AVENUE TRANSFER
>SPRING HILL
>VERONA, OAKMONT & HULTON
>VERONA
>WILMERDING & EAST PITTSBURGH
>
>Other tidbits of data (selected):
>
>Items of Cost: a new low-floor steel motor car of the 4200-type - 
>$6,000.00; a mile of double track - $89,760.00; a mile of trolley wire, 
>feeder and poles: $10,000.00
>
>What your nickel buys: (sampling): changing tracks to new location in West 
>Liberty Blvd (some only 8 years old) - $130,000.00; tolls over bridges free 
>to traffic but not streetcars - $126,500.00 a year.
>
>Included is a graph summary of evening rush hour service on the West View 
>line, peaking at North Av and Federal.
>
>Misc stats:-
>
>Miles of single track: 600
>Cars in Rush hour: 1000
>Employees: 6000
>Electric Switches: 90
>Miles of bridges: 10
>Number of Car Barns: 21
>Number of Power Supply Stations: 22
>
>An admonition on the circular car stop signs: "The motorman stops his car 
>so that the door comes directly under the sign.  Will you co-operate in 
>saving time by standing directly underneath the sign?" ( Ed-op: sort of 
>defeats the attempt to speed service if they kill all the passengers!).
>
>OK, download and have fun with it.
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>JFB
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