[PRCo] Re: Route 9 Transfer

Fred W. Schneider III fschnei at supernet.com
Sun May 20 09:54:46 EDT 2001


I don't have time to check the route card now.  I think it was a
Depression casualty but wouldn't swear to it Jim.  Remember that, in any
system, change is the word of the day.  Until Taggart St. Barn closed
and Keating opened, or sometime after that, route 8 ended on Perrysville
Avenue at a crossover just outbound from East Street.  There were a lot
of shuttle or transfer lines that once went somewhere.  How about 33
Mount Washington ... if memory serves it may have also run out East
Carson St.  Route 81-Atwood Street ran downtown in the rush hours at the
end; probably full time earlier.  

I've wanted to go through all the route cards and record that history
but there are too many other irons in the fire.  And to do it, the first
task is to learn how street names in Allegheny and the other boroughs
changed when they were absorbed into Pittsburg (h).  And how street
names changed in Pittsburgh itself over time.  Then one needs to sort
out all the extraneous garbage (such as service diverted for two hours
on "x" date while the shop crews retrucked a car with a broken axle
(yes, they could do it in two hours on the street).  We also need to
eliminate the fire and flood diversions.  And we need to decide how
important it is to keep longer term changes, such as the reroutings when
"the hump" was removed from Grant and 5th.  



Jim Holland wrote:
> 
> > Fred W. Schneider III wrote:
> 
> > . . . Route 9 Charles
> > was really a shuttle that remained from the original Route 9 Perrysville
> > / Charles. It once ran through from downtown via Perrysville Avenue and
> > then down Charles Street.
> 
> Fred  --  fascinating info.  It is possible to see a turnout in the
> track beside 4219 in this photo and your description above fits what can
> be seen.  The 9-Perry-Charles must have ended in the valley below and
> changed ends and returned the same way.  Bob has guessed this as
> pre--1920  --  do you know a more precise date??  NOT important to check
> for a firm date - just interesting to know if you remember!  Thanks!
> 
>         So the old 9-line from downtown was like a short turn of the 8-line,
> working the heavy inner portion of the route.  The 7-Charles might be
> considered a short turn of the 6-line, also working the heaviest inner
> portion of the route!
> 
> --
> James B. Holland
> 
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