[PRCo] Re: Routes 6,13,15

[Jim Holland]

Hi John!

	Here is the information which shows that 6/15 did work as an owl at one
time  --  last March onlist.    The part about the 6/15 is the last
several paragraphs.

	But the discussions concerning this schedule show a tremendous variety
of destination displays on the PCCs and most of them were probably never
photographed unless rolled up by a railfan  --  and usually in the
yard!~:)

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [PRCo] Re: Routes 6,13,15
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 20:21:19 -0500
From: "Edward H. Lybarger" <twg at pulsenet.com>
Reply-To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org

Guess I was wrong!  Pays to read ALL the mail before answering!    I
wish PRCo had maintained those route cards beyond 1943.

Ed

-----Original Message-----
From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
On Behalf Of Jim Holland
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 7:08 PM
To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
Subject: [PRCo] Re: Routes 6,13,15

> John Swindler wrote:

> Somewhat earlier, wasn't there a 6/15 service; perhaps
> evening/night car???    This was replaced by the 6/13
> service in late 50s/early 1960s as Bob mentions above.

>> Jim Holland questioned:

>> So this would be the timeframe of post--WW2 into the 1950s, Yes?
>> But where would the 6/15 loop to return, or did it use double end
>> equipment and the X-overs near West View which means service
>> would have ended early 1950s?

> Time frame of late 1950s.  Maybe I saw it on a public timetable. 
> Maybe on a PERC article in Trolley Fare.    Maybe comment overheard.
> Afterall Jim, that was forty plus years ago.  Was hoping someone
> else's better memory or references would correct/clarify my
> vague recollection.

	Have a timetable for 6-,8-,10-15-,13-lines dated 1959.02.22  --  can't
get too much later 1950s!!(:->)

	6-line on front and big bold letters near the bottom say:   "Night Cars
via Route 19"   6-line is quite a diverse line in this time period.  
Here are notes for the 6-line schedules:::::::

†  These trips signed "Brighton-Emsworth."   This started 6.38-PM IB
from High Bridge Loop and 7.01-PM OB from 6tn//Penn--Weekdays and
similar evening times on Saturdays and ALL Day Sunday.

‡  Night cars via Woods Run, signed "Western-Brighton."   These trips
were at 1.32-AM, 2.32-AM, 3.32-AM, 4.32-AM 6th//Penn Weekdays and
somewhat similar Saturday And Sunday.

** These trips are signed "Brighton-Avalon."   These trips were at
1.01-AM, 2.01-AM, 3.01-AM, and 4.01-AM Weekdays from 6th//Penn and very
similar Saturday and Sunday.

*  These trips operate to Manchester Car House Only.


Sunday for the 6-line has the following disclaimers::

"ALL   TRIPS   EXCEPT   THOSE   MARKED   ‡   AND   **   ARE   SIGNED 
"BRIGHTON---EMSWORTH."


TO   SUMmarize:   Weekday base service on the 6-line was 20-minutes;
rush hours every 8-10-minutes.   ALL  PM service as well as all day
Sunday was 6-13; Owl service was 19-6 and 6-14!!


Further Quotes:::::::

	"ROUTE   13   ROUTING   CHANGE"
	"On Weekday and Saturday evenings and all day Sundays except where
indicated, all trips operate via Route 6 over Brighton Road in both
directions between California Avenue and Wynhurst Street (High Bridge
Loop) and the North Side.   Cars are signed  'Brighton--Emsworth.'  
When this combined route 6/13 operation is in effect, Route 15 provides
service along California Avenue between the High Bridge Loop and
Brighton Place.    Transfer between 6/13 and 15 cars may be made at the
High Bridge Loop."


AND.......   Here it is!!!!!!!.......

	"ROUTE   15   WEEKDAY   SERVICE"


	"NIGHT   CAR   CHANGE:   Effective with this schedule, the comgination
Route 15/6 night car service is discontinued.   Instead, Route 15 night
car service will be confined to California Avenue, the normal routing,
rather than Brighton Road.   As a substitute for the 15/6 night car
service, Route 13 cars will operate over Brighton Road in both
directions.   This Route 13/6 combination service will also operate
weekday and Saturday evenings, and all day Sunday."

	The change in the 15/6 back to the 15 was made to keep service on
California Street when the 13 was thru routed on the 6-line!

	Looking at the 10-line schedule it reveals that the 1.34-AM, 2.34-AM
and 3.34-AM trips inbound from West View Park go directly to Keating -
only the 2.02-AM trip goes thru to downtown as a 10-line car and leaves
7th/Penn at 2.32-AM.   The first car out of the barn in the AM goes
directly to town at 4.50-AM - this is about a 2.5-hour gap.   Now that
is very interesting because the 15-line cars leave downtown every hour
starting at 1.04-AM and it takes them 30-minutes to get to the end of
the 15 or beginning of the 10-line, so  WHERE  does that 2.02-AM car
come from that goes downtown as a 10?   The 6- and 13-lines are working
out of Manchester!
	Thus, it seems that the 15/6 service or the 15 owls operated to Keating
and return except for a couple.   The 8-line had all night service and
this makes more sense than all night service down East Street where
population was much more sparse.
	Now, could it be that the 15- and 8-lines were thru-routed for the
owls?    It would seem that the schedule would say so.   Interesting to
note that the 13-line displays different running times for Weekdays,
Sat, Sun, and Night cars whereas all the other lines have one running
time listing common for all times.
	At any rate, with a 30-minute running time for an outbound 15-car and
with these Owls leaving every hour from 1.04-AM til 5.04-AM  AND  with
8-line inbound crs leaving at 1.34-AM and every hour thru 4.34-AM, is it
possible that the 15-line could make it from 6th/Penn to Keating in
30-minutes on the Owl to be an inbound 8-car?   Or did both the 8- and
15-lines loop Keating and return on their own lines?

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