[PRCo] Re: One Hundred Years Ago, March 14, 1902

[John F Bromley]

Well, it ain't a perfect world.

The 1926 guide shows no Route 77 in existence, not does it acknowledge
LARIMER as a separate route (but see below).  It does have Route 54 FORBES &
CARRICK, from "Forbes at Brady Sts, thence over 22nd St Bridge, Sidney, S
19th St, Mary, S 18th Sts, Brownsville Ave through Carrick to Brentwood."

And it has Route 59 FORBES & CARRICK "same as Route 54 to Crailo St only.

And we have Route 79 SHADY from Diamond St via Ferry St, 4th Av, Ross St,
Diamond St, Forbes Av, Shady Av, Penn Av to Mignonette St in East Liberty.

Route 89 was an 88 starting eastbound at 15th St & Penn Av (ie not from
downtown).

Route 50 began at 62nd St Loop, Morningside and was a one way trip via
Butler, Penn, 9th St, Liberty Av, Wood, and over the familiar route to 30th
St Carhouse.  The reverse was Route 95 BUTLER ST over the familiar Route 50
up Smithfield, continuing up to Liberty Av, then via Liberty, 32nd ST, Penn
and Butler to 62nd St Loop.

Route 94 SHARPSBURG-ASPINWALL operated only east of 62nd ST Loop.

Route 87 started at Tioga St Loop and did not run downtown.  63 TRAFFORD did
go downtown.

Route 86 EAST LIBERTY EXPRESS did the Larimer service.  From Penn AV via 7th
St, Liberty Av, Center Av, Penn briefly, Frankstown, Paulson and Shetland to
Larimer, returning via Larimer, Penn, Euclid, Center, Liberty, etc,.  At
some stage it went up to Penn Av but the guide does not enlighten us.




----- Original Message -----
From: "John Swindler" <j_swindler at hotmail.com>
To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 2:49 PM
Subject: [PRCo] Re: One Hundred Years Ago, March 14, 1902


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>
>
> >John F Bromley corrected:
> >
> >From the 1926 route guide:
> >
> >72 BLOOMFIELD OUTSIDE LOOP via Penn, 7th St, 6th Av, Forbes, Craig,
Center,
> >Millvale, Liberty, Main St (Bloomfield), Penn Av to 7th St.
> >
> >92 BLOOMFIELD INSIDE LOOP via Forbes, 6th Av 5th Av, Liberty, Millvale,
> >Center, Craig, Forbes.
> >
> >The affable (Special, today only) JFB (just kidding)
> >
>
>
> Yes, I should have looked it up.  Interesting that PUC complaint docket
> C-1571 of 1918 lists "Bloomfield Route" as routes 79-92.  Route 77 is not
> listed separately in the PUC decision report.  Must check the testimony on
> micorfilm (which I've been wanting to do - someday - for past six months)
to
> see what's available.  Suspect it will include a complete listing of the
> stops on all routes by route number.
>
> So, 'affable' John, what does your 1926 map list for route 77?  A
> northside-Bloomfield-Oakland route??  Had it already been linked with 54??
>
> Oppps.  Just saw an error in C-1571 quoted above.  In an earlier section
it
> mentions:  "At the present time the Bloomfield belt cars, routes 72 and
92,
> the Forbes-Shady-Penn belt cars, roues 79 and 91, the Frankstown Avenue
> cars, routes 88 and 89, and the Larimer Avenue cars, route 98 (yes, that's
> what it says, "98") are operated over the Penn Avenue throat  from the
> downtown district to the various terminal districts east of 34th St."
>
>
> Back to Matt's first question:  PUC Decision C-1571 also lists for "Routes
> 54 and 59":  "Beginning at the approach to the Twenty-second Street Bridge
> over the Monongahela Rivers, across said bridge, along Twenty-second,
> Sidney, South Nineteenth and Mary Streets to south Eighteenth Street".  So
> yes, 22nd St. Bridge is location now known as "Brady Street Bridge".  (and
> unfortunately, quoted route for 54 and 59 does not list rest of trackage
> shared with other routes).
>
>
>
> > > >Matt Barry asked:
> > > >
> > > >Also, I am assuming that the South 22nd Street Bridge was renamed
> >"Brady
> > > >Street Bridge" or was a precursor to the Brady Street Bridge.
Anyone
> > > >know?
> > > >
> > > >The route itself sounds like PRCo's 77/54 -- or at least the 54 part
of
> >the
> > > >route.   The Flying Fraction was formerly two routes, was it not?
> > > >  One that left Oakland to the South Side, and the other that left
> > > >Oakland to the North Side?
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Wasn't route 77 the counter-clockwise trips on the Bloomfield Belt??
> >Went
> > > out Fifth through Bloomfield and returned on Penn.
> > >
> > > Not to be confused with another belt route that went through East
> >Liberty.
> >-- Trailing quotes stripped by Listar --
> >
> >
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