[PRCo] Re: Route//Destination__Signs

[John Swindler]

>Jim Holland mentioned:00:02 -0800
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>Good Morning!
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>	The short turns in SF are used for rush hour trippers and also to get late 
>buses back on schedule.   Pittsburgh had short turn loops on some lines, 
>but they were separate route numbers.
>	As an example, the 42-Dormont was the regular line;  during rush hours, 
>43-Neeld cars turned in Beechview and the Owl was combined with the 
>38-Mt.Lebanon to make the 42/38.   This became the permanent route  when 
>the 38-line was abandoned inbound of Dormont Jct.
>	The 11-East Street was a short turn of the 10-West View and 14-Avalon was 
>a short turn of the 13-Emsworth.  Neville Island, or 23-Neville Island, was 
>a short turn of the 23-Sewickley.   And the 25-Island Avenue became an even 
>shorter route and the permanent route when all the 23-line outbound of here 
>was abandoned.
>	Castle Shannon, or 37-Shannon, was a rush hour short trip of the
>interurbans.   However, in earlier days when the lines operated to
>Washington and Charleroi, Castle Shannon cars ran a regular schedule as
>interurbans ran limited thru Overbrook.


Also route 36 was a short turn on the interurban lines during early years:  
36 Fairhaven.

And then there is 56A and 56B; also 55A.  These were short turns/alternate 
routes on 55 and 56.  But then 57 Glenwood had its own number.  And how 
would 38A fit within any grand scheme????

Different numbers for clock-wise and counter-clock-wise loop operation. 
(Bloomfield loop and Forbes-Shady-Penn loop)


>	One exception to the above was the 88-Frankstown; its short turn car was 
>88-Frankstown-Short!   Other exceptions and variations exist as well.
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But 76 Hamilton-Jane St. was an extension of 76 Hamilton (which terminated 
in Wilkinsburg).

Maybe the "standard" for Pittsburgh was that there was no formal standard.  
A generally accepted practice, but not a formal standard.

John



>	Interurbans were  *generally*  devoid of numbers of letter designations 
>for Destinations.   Washington, Charleroi, Library, Riverview and 
>Canonsburg were common in Pittsburgh and even in latter days, 
>Shannon-Library was used into the 1970s.
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