[PRCo] Re: Routes 6,13,15

[John Swindler]

Bob Rathke commented:
>
>Routes 13, 14 and 15 originally ran via California Ave., and route 6 ran 
>via Brighton Road.  Tom Parkinson's,  "The Street Railways of Pittsburgh, 
>1859-1967", states that during evenings and on Sundays, route 6 was 
>extended to Emsworth as route 6/13, and in September, 1964 (1965?) this 
>became permanent until abandonment in April, 1966.
>


Again at the risk of trusting to a 'rusty' memory........

Somewhat earlier, wasn't there a 6/15 service; perhaps evening/night car???  
This was replaced by the 6/13 service in late 50s/early 1960s as Bob 
mentions above.

Beyond Avalon Loop, there were 2 or 3 trestle's built by Pittsburgh Railway 
predecessor's that were modified for highway traffic.  One - or more - of 
these bridges was condemned for continued streetcar service in early 1960s.  
Thus ended the route 13 Emsworth service to be replaced by 14 Avalon cars 
(and 6/14) that turned at Avalon Loop.

As an aside, on a fantrip, John Baxter once mentioned that the stub tracks 
at Avalon loop were used for dropping trailers years before.  Any 
clarification???

And one for Harold G.:  Didn't the boroughs try 'sticking' PAT with the cost 
of replacing one of the trestles on the Emsworth line??

John




>I believe that service on California Avenue ended in September, 1965 with 
>the abandonment of route 15, and at that time routes 13 and 14 were 
>combined with route 6 on Brighton Road.
>
>Bob 3/19/02
>
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: <Macmarka at cs.com>
>To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
>Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 8:19 PM
>Subject: [PRCo] Re: PRC route foreman trucks
>
>
> >
> > In a message dated 3/19/02 3:21:39 AM !!!First Boot!!!, 
>pghpcc at pacbell.net
> > writes:
> >
> > <<
> >     The above date you list is the abandonment of the 6/13  --  the 6- &
> >  13-lines were combined in Sept--1965 when the 15-line was abandoned.
>The
> >  6/13 was actually cut back to the 6/14 in Dec--1965 because of the 
>bridge
> >  on the outer end of the 13-line.   The 6/14 continued until 1966.05.01.
> >   >>
> > In the book "Touring Pittsburgh By Trolley" by Harold A. Smith page 31 
>bottom states:  "No. 1689, prepared for service on the 6-Brighton Road 
>line, completes its deadhead trip from Keating car house as it turns from 
>California Ave. onto Wynhurst. It is June of 1965, and in December of that 
>year the 6.......and 13... lines will be through-routed with the 13 line 
>discontinued between this intersection at Wynhurst Ave. and Brighton Place 
>in the near North Side."
> >   Author should have stated September instead of December. Or could have 
>used the same description but substituted 14-Avalon for 13-Emsworth.
> > Correct?   This goes to show that it pays to ask questions even though 
>something is written and published in black and white. I trust the people 
>on this list will always steer me right. Thanks Jim! :>)
> >
>Mark
> > McGuire
> >
> >
>
>


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