[PRCo] Re: Routes 6,13,15

[Jim Holland]

Good Morning!

> John Swindler wrote:

> Somewhat earlier, wasn't there a 6/15 service; perhaps evening/night
> car???  This was replaced by the 6/13 service in late 50s/early 1960s as
> Bob mentions above.
 
>> Jim Holland questioned:

>>       So this would be the timeframe of post--WW2 into the 1950s, Yes?   But
>> where would the 6/15 loop to return, or did it use double end equipment and
>> the X-overs near West View which means service would have ended early
>> 1950s?

> Time frame of late 1950s.  Maybe I saw it on a public timetable.  Maybe on a
> PERC article in Trolley Fare.  Maybe comment overheard.  Afterall Jim, that
> was forty plus years ago.  Was hoping someone else's better memory or
> references would correct/clarify my vague recollection.

	Have a timetable for 6-,8-,10-15-,13-lines dated 1959.02.22  --  can't get
too much later 1950s!!(:->)

	6-line on front and big bold letters near the bottom say:   "Night Cars
via Route 19"   6-line is quite a diverse line in this time period.   Here
are notes for the 6-line schedules:::::::

†  These trips signed "Brighton-Emsworth."   This started 6.38-PM IB from
High Bridge Loop and 7.01-PM OB from 6tn//Penn--Weekdays and similar
evening times on Saturdays and ALL Day Sunday.

‡  Night cars via Woods Run, signed "Western-Brighton."   These trips were
at 1.32-AM, 2.32-AM, 3.32-AM, 4.32-AM 6th//Penn Weekdays and somewhat
similar Saturday And Sunday.

** These trips are signed "Brighton-Avalon."   These trips were at 1.01-AM,
2.01-AM, 3.01-AM, and 4.01-AM Weekdays from 6th//Penn and very similar
Saturday and Sunday.

*  These trips operate to Manchester Car House Only.


Sunday for the 6-line has the following disclaimers::

"ALL   TRIPS   EXCEPT   THOSE   MARKED   ‡   AND   **   ARE   SIGNED  
"BRIGHTON---EMSWORTH."


TO   SUMmarize:   Weekday base service on the 6-line was 20-minutes; rush
hours every 8-10-minutes.   ALL  PM service as well as all day Sunday was
6-13; Owl service was 19-6 and 6-14!!


Further Quotes:::::::

	"ROUTE   13   ROUTING   CHANGE"
	"On Weekday and Saturday evenings and all day Sundays except where
indicated, all trips operate via Route 6 over Brighton Road in both
directions between California Avenue and Wynhurst Street (High Bridge Loop)
and the North Side.   Cars are signed  'Brighton--Emsworth.'   When this
combined route 6/13 operation is in effect, Route 15 provides service along
California Avenue between the High Bridge Loop and Brighton Place.  
Transfer between 6/13 and 15 cars may be made at the High Bridge Loop."


AND.......   Here it is!!!!!!!.......

	"ROUTE   15   WEEKDAY   SERVICE"
	"NIGHT   CAR   CHANGE:   Effective with this schedule, the comgination
Route 15/6 night car service is discontinued.   Instead, Route 15 night car
service will be confined to California Avenue, the normal routing, rather
than Brighton Road.   As a substitute for the 15/6 night car service, Route
13 cars will operate over Brighton Road in both directions.   This Route
13/6 combination service will also operate weekday and Saturday evenings,
and all day Sunday."

	The change in the 15/6 back to the 15 was made to keep service on
California Street when the 13 was thru routed on the 6-line!

	Looking at the 10-line schedule it reveals that the 1.34-AM, 2.34-AM and
3.34-AM trips inbound from West View Park go directly to Keating - only the
2.02-AM trip goes thru to downtown as a 10-line car and leaves 7th/Penn at
2.32-AM.   The first car out of the barn in the AM goes directly to town at
4.50-AM - this is about a 2.5-hour gap.   Now that is very interesting
because the 15-line cars leave downtown every hour starting at 1.04-AM and
it takes them 30-minutes to get to the end of the 15 or beginning of the
10-line, so  WHERE  does that 2.02-AM car come from that goes downtown as a
10?   The 6- and 13-lines are working out of Manchester!
	Thus, it seems that the 15/6 service or the 15 owls operated to Keating
and return except for a couple.   The 8-line had all night service and this
makes more sense than all night service down East Street where population
was much more sparse.
	Now, could it be that the 15- and 8-lines were thru-routed for the owls?  
It would seem that the schedule would say so.   Interesting to note that
the 13-line displays different running times for Weekdays, Sat, Sun, and
Night cars whereas all the other lines have one running time listing common
for all times.
	At any rate, with a 30-minute running time for an outbound 15-car and with
these Owls leaving every hour from 1.04-AM til 5.04-AM  AND  with 8-line
inbound crs leaving at 1.34-AM and every hour thru 4.34-AM, is it possible
that the 15-line could make it from 6th/Penn to Keating in 30-minutes on
the Owl to be an inbound 8-car?   Or did both the 8- and 15-lines loop
Keating and return on their own lines?

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