[PRCo] Re: Rohrbeck's book

[Edward H. Lybarger]

Pictures won't attach to this site.  I've been working from a Xerox copy so
don't have the advantage of even the printed detail, but others have
questioned the location, as well.   However.....

The view matches if I turn the map around in my head!  The car has to be
inbound, not yet to Stanwix Street.  If so, that's the old parking garage at
the left.  The giveaway, though, is what's in the distance, above the car's
roof.  The Fort Pitt Bridge is under construction, and the clear spot on the
hillside is the location of the Fort Pitt Tunnel.  Even on the poor copy I
have, there is a crane visible about an inch to the right of the building.
It matches exactly with the floating crane used to build the bridge, and
which is pictured in a slide my father took in September 1958, by which time
the bridge's superstructure was in place.  I well remember the crane.

I was wrong!  Thanks, Boris, for making me look!

-----Original Message-----
From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
[mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org]On Behalf Of Boris
Cefer
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 3:15 PM
To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
Subject: [PRCo] Re: Rohrbeck's book


I am trying to attach a picture of PCC on Ft. Duquesne Blvd. Compare the
pole with feed wire on this picture with that on page 15, in background
between road and track. It IS Ft. Duquesne. I'm sure.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Edward H. Lybarger" <twg at pulsenet.com>
To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 8:44 PM
Subject: [PRCo] Re: Rohrbeck's book


> Yes.  The North Shore doesn't look like this.  It's absolutely not
Downtown.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org]On Behalf Of Boris
> Cefer
> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 2:25 PM
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Rohrbeck's book
>
>
> Ed, are you sure the location of the "four aces" on p. 15 isn't Fort
> Duquesne Boulevard approaching Stanvix?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Edward H. Lybarger" <twg at pulsenet.com>
> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 6:38 PM
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Rohrbeck's book
>
>
> > And then there is the top photo on page 15.  I don't know where it
> is...the
> > car was all over the system that day (yes, we have its
> > routing!)...Wilmerding perhaps?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
> > [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org]On Behalf Of
> > mrb190
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 3:26 PM
> > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> > Subject: [PRCo] Re: Rohrbeck's book
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> >  Yes, some bad captioning, indeed.   Here are some instances that I am
> aware
> > of.
> >
> > Page 15.   A pic of West End route 34/31 car on Water Street outbound to
> the
> > Point Bridge, is described as being on Penn Avenue, in October, 1962.
> > 1962?
> > June, 1959, of course, saw the last West End car in operation.
> >
> > Page 19.  A pic of 19 Western Avenue car on East Ohio Street, North
Side,
> is
> > described as gliding "along downtown Pittsburgh."
> >
> > P 23.  A pic of routes 77/54 and 53 cars looping at Brentwood loop, is
> > described
> > as Carrick and route 47 cars looping at Carrick loop.  Carrick's close
> > enough,
> > but the "47" car captioned is definitely a "77/54."
> >
> > P 26.   A pic of route 65 Munhall coming down 12th street in Homestead,
> > having
> > just turned off of West Street, is described as a Route 60 East
> > Liberty-Homestead car, in Homestead.
> >
> > P 29.  A pic of a car signed for 73 Highland shown in Oakland on Fifth
> > Avenue at
> > the Masonic Temple, is described as being on Bunker Hill street in 1938.
> > That
> > may be in 1938, but that is not Bunker Hill street.
> >
> > P 31.   88 Frankstown car on Penn Avenue in East Liberty, I believe, is
> > incorrectly described as being on Frankstown Avenue.
> >
> > P 32.  Cars 1295 and 1111 on Liberty Avenue, side by side, one on the
> > regular
> > outbound track, and the other on the passing outbound track, are in a
> photo
> > dated "June 7, 1960."    That could be the case, but there is enough
snow
> on
> > the
> > hillside and sidewalk to suggest that this was months earlier or months
> > later
> > than the month of June.   Still, I suppose stranger weather occurences
> have
> > happened in Pittsburgh.
> >
> > Anything else?
> >
> > I am very grateful to Benson Rohrbeck for publishing this volume, so I
> hope
> > my
> > notes above do not come off as major complaints.  It is better, at least
> for
> > me,
> > to see these photographs with the wrong captioning, than not to see them
> at
> > all.  Still, if I were not aware of the locales, I would make the wrong
> > assumptions about where the photographs were taken.   I like to have the
> > whole
> > picture, i.e., know the location, date, etc. as it were, to make the
> > experience
> > of viewing it that much more enjoyable.
> >
> > Matt
> >
> > "Edward H. Lybarger" wrote:
> >
> > > store at pa-trolley.org  is the operative address that will get you
Jackie,
> > the
> > > store manager, and, therefore, a book.  Beware of inaccuracies,
though.
> > Ben
> > > was given some bad captioning to work with.
> > >
> > > Ed
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
> > > [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org]On Behalf Of
Fred
> > > Schneider
> > > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 8:53 PM
> > > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> > > Subject: [PRCo] Rohrbeck's book
> > >
> > > Pennsylvania Trolley Museum does stock Ben Rohrbeck's new Pittsburgh
> > > book.  I'm sure Lynn would be very happy to sell it to you and let the
> > > museum make a little money.  (I don't know her e-mail address but you
> > > could try sbecker at pa-trolley.org and ask Scott to forward the note.
> > >
> > > For those who have not seen the museum lately ... PST 14 looks, in the
> > > oft repeated words of Tony the Tiger, Grrrreeate.  Inside just cleams
in
> > > new paint.  New seats.  Outside sparkles.  All the bright metal ...
> > > headlight rims, window sash, etc., are polished.   (You need to look
to
> > > find evidence that it isn't a new car ... a ding in the window sash
> > > where some kid hit it with a rock in its last life, for example.  And
I
> > > never knew how much space two disassembled St. Louis car trucks
consume
> > > ... the whole back room of the shop is filled with two frames, the
> > > equilizer bars, springs, motors, new wheel sets.
> > >
> > > fws
> >
> > "Edward H. Lybarger" wrote:
> >
> > > store at pa-trolley.org  is the operative address that will get you
Jackie,
> > the
> > > store manager, and, therefore, a book.  Beware of inaccuracies,
though.
> > Ben
> > > was given some bad captioning to work with.
> > >
> > > Ed
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
> > > [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org]On Behalf Of
Fred
> > > Schneider
> > > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 8:53 PM
> > > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> > > Subject: [PRCo] Rohrbeck's book
> > >
> > > Pennsylvania Trolley Museum does stock Ben Rohrbeck's new Pittsburgh
> > > book.  I'm sure Lynn would be very happy to sell it to you and let the
> > > museum make a little money.  (I don't know her e-mail address but you
> > > could try sbecker at pa-trolley.org and ask Scott to forward the note.
> > >
> > > For those who have not seen the museum lately ... PST 14 looks, in the
> > > oft repeated words of Tony the Tiger, Grrrreeate.  Inside just cleams
in
> > > new paint.  New seats.  Outside sparkles.  All the bright metal ...
> > > headlight rims, window sash, etc., are polished.   (You need to look
to
> > > find evidence that it isn't a new car ... a ding in the window sash
> > > where some kid hit it with a rock in its last life, for example.  And
I
> > > never knew how much space two disassembled St. Louis car trucks
consume
> > > ... the whole back room of the shop is filled with two frames, the
> > > equilizer bars, springs, motors, new wheel sets.
> > >
> > > fws
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