[PRCo] Re: 77/54

[Jim Holland]

Good Morning!

> Macmarka at cs.com wrote:

> I was looking at the PRMA map of 1959 and was trying
> to follow the 77/54 line.    Could someone please
> fill me in on this. I get lost once crossing the
> bridge over the Mon River to Forbes from the South side. 

	"Over the Woods and Thru the River......."

	Or something like that.

	OK.    You know the route from Bellecrest Loop to the Brady Bridge.   
Then OB Forbes to Craig, Centre, Millvale, Liberty, Penn, 16th-St.
Bridge, Chestnut, E.Ohio, Sandusky and return.    Return was 16th-St
Bridge to Liberty (skip Penn,) Millvale, etc.

	Good route descriptions on the  *PRCo--Transit--Guide*  and map.

> Also, I noticed what looks like 2 loops off
> Carson St. that I'm unfamiliar with.   One was
> located On Carson at 18th and the other was
> at Carson and 22nd. Were these turnback loops?
> If so, what routes? Thanks!
> Mark Mc

	Not specific routes that I know of  --  may have been short-turns for
rush hour trippers in 1920s when ridership was much higher.    Line 50-
was variously based at Carrick, Craft, and finally Tunnel so some of the
turns could be used for pull-out, pull-in trips although they would not
necessarily make a complete loop so to do.
	As I mentioned, loops could have served short-turns at rush-hour at one
time in PRCo history and since they were there they could serve as
short-turns when a line was blocked for some reason.
	After  ({[pat]})  takeover the 77/54 was chopped-up in various ways and
some of these loops might have been used.    Someone more familiar with
this can give further details.

	Complete loop between 5th and Forbes at Gist and Seneca  --  combining
all the turns would seem to form a Grand Union in pieces!:~>)    A
TrolleyCar could go to any direction from any direction here.

+ Other Such loops:::::::

	+ Plenty downtown!
	+ Liberty, Penn, 11, 12
	+ Liberty, Penn, 15, 16
	+ Liberty, Penn, 23, 22
	+ Fifth, Ellsworth, Craig, Neville
	+ Long Loop 5th to Craig to Forbes to Atwood
	+ Most interesting was North-East (Outbound) end
		of Rankin Bridge before it was reconstructed
		with interchange ramps.

	Most others seem to be a terminal but after 32-line was defunct, the
Famous West End Circle was quite interesting and All West End
TrolleyCars looped thru there inbound and outbound!

	Interesting dual-loop for 95- 96-lines on Butler/62nd.

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