[PRCo] Re: Tunnel // W.Liberty

[Dietrich, Robert J.]

Wow, this is a nice bit if detective work Jim.  

I believe that after the Mt. Lebanon route was opened in 1903 passengers
still had to ride both the back incline and the front, Castle Shannon,
incline because tracks never went up Haberman Ave. Note that this was
the reason for tracks going up Warrington Ave. to Haberman.


The article says we had interurban service from the south to Castle
Shannon with a transfer to the P&CSRR.  I always wondered where they got
their passengers. 
 
Electric cars were routed to Mt Lebanon in 1903 but there was still some
passenger service on the P&CSRR after 1905, see
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/bdietrich/oldover.htm.  It may have been
dirty but it was more direct than the other route.  

The 



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Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 2:55 PM
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Subject: [PRCo] Re: Tunnel // W.Liberty


>On Sat, 21 Aug 2004, Boris Cefer wrote:
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>>Jim, I guess Bob asked about how the trolleys negotiated the Mt.
Washington
>>before the tunnel was built.
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>Derrick J Brashear wrote:
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>didn't some go around via west end?
>

Sorry  --  misread Bob's original question.

Strictly from memory  --  didn't trolleycars go to Incline up Washington

// Warrington and then people transfer to go downtown??       Thus the 
reason for the tracks all the way down Warrington.


And now from pg.11 of  *Electric__RRs*__#20__July--1952, first full 
paragraph:::::::

"""On Sept 12, 1903,  [Charleroi]  cars ran thru from Allenport to 
Shannon where passengers transferred to continue their ride to Pgh. by 
steam train and incline of the Pgh & Castle Shannon.       By Oct.10, 
tracks had been extended from Castle Shannon to Mt.Lebanon where by 950 
year lease, cars passed onto tracks of the Pittsburgh & Birmingham 
Traction to continue the trip to town via Washington Road, finally 
transferring passengers at the top of the Pittsburgh Incline on 
Mt.Washington.......       On December_1,_1904, cars began using the 
present 42-Dormont line between Dormont and W.Liberty,.......       The 
new route then went thru the new Mount Washington tunnel to a downtown 
Pgh terminal at 3rd and Wood.......       In August 1905, the terminal 
was moved to the Union (PRR) Station, the route followed was Smithfield,

Liberty to Station; then Liberty, Wood, Water and Smithfield."""


Jim__Holland