[PRCo] Re: PRR Pittsburgh station

[John Swindler]

Concerning the stub track at PRR station:

>From "Pittsburgh, How to See It", page 26

"Beechview 43 and Knoxville 44 land passengers at the foot of the steps 
leading from the esplanade in front and at right of the station"

"There are two other carlines that can be taken at the foot of the steps 
from the Pennsylvania Station esplanade, both turning off Liberty Avenue and 
going to the North Side, or the former city of Allegheny.  These cars are 
numbers 6, Brighton Road, and 7 Charles Street."

Pittsburgh was still a double-end city at this time.

John


>From: "Edward H. Lybarger" <trams at adelphia.net>
>Reply-To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
>Subject: [PRCo] Re: PRR Pittsburgh station
>Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 09:19:14 -0400
>
>Routes 7 and 44 both did the Liberty-12th Street-Penn-11th Street loop 
>until
>the late '60s/early 70s, in the case of 44.  7 went away long before, of
>course.  I seem to recall that 44 used Smithfield-above described
>loop-Grant, while 49 used Grant-Liberty-Wood.  But I'm not a timetable
>collector and don't have this info at home...would have to check at library
>for actual facts.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
>[mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org]On Behalf Of John
>Swindler
>Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 8:43 AM
>To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>Subject: [PRCo] Re: PRR Pittsburgh station
>
>
>
>Didn't route 7, and another north side route, and two south side routes
>terminate at PRR station in earlier days??  44 via PRR may have been a
>remnant of this service, looping via 11th St. with advent of single end
>cars.
>
>Vague recollection from digital on-line book from 1920s.
>
>Recently saw some PRC slides from late 1960s, and there were some views of
>49 Beltzhoover cars on 11th street loop around 1970.  And some 44 cars had
>"via PRR station" blacked out.  Was there a switch of of 44 and 49 downtown
>routings in late 1960s??
>
>John
>
>
>
> >From: Joshua Dunfield <Joshua_Dunfield at mlist-0.sp.cs.cmu.edu>
> >Reply-To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> >To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> >Subject: [PRCo] Re: PRR Pittsburgh station Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 
>15:20:44
> >-0400
> >
> >Bob Rathke wrote:
> >...
> > > By 1956, the tracks on the north side of the station (Pittsburgh to
> > > Cleveland and Chicago) and at least two of the eastbound  tracks to
> > > Philadelpia and New York - were reached via an undeground waiting room
> >(at
> > > the level of Libery Avenue).  This was done to eliminate the need for
> > > passengers to cross the tracks in order to reach their trains.
> >Escalators
> > > ran from the concourse to the underground wiating room, and then up -
> > > through several escalators - to the platforms for tracks 1-6.
> >
> >Thanks; just what I was looking for.  Is the present track numbering the
> >same as in 1956 (for the tracks that still exist)?
> >
> >Also, in the Pitt collection (referred to by John Swindler) the 1923 map
> >shows a tunnel east of the train shed (between 13th and 14th if you were
> >to extend them past Liberty):
> >
> >http://digital.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/maps/showmap.pl?client=maps&image=2
>3v0105b&levels=5&originx=0&originy=4520&lastlevel=2&fullheight=6864&fullwidt
>h=5430&level=2&size=2&image.x=14&image.y=474
> >
> >(It's on Plate 5b if the long URL doesn't work.)
> >
> >Is the tunnel still there?
> >
> >(On topic!)  There appears to be a trolley spur going off Liberty
> >right up alongside a PRR spur, next to stairs leading up into the
> >station:
> >
> >http://digital.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/maps/showmap.pl?client=maps&image=2
>3v0105a&levels=5&originx=1584&originy=4848&lastlevel=2&fullheight=6864&fullw
>idth=5430&level=2&size=1&image.x=784&image.y=367
> >
> >(1923, Plate 5a.)
> >
> >...
> > > I took numerous photos in the PRR station from 1954-1991, and I will 
>be
> > > happy to give the website addresses to anyone who is interested.
> > >
> > > Bob 7/17/04
> >
> >I would certainly be interested.
> >
> >-j.
> >
>
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