[PRCo] Re: Trolleyville

[John Swindler]

The fare would be $3.37 per fixed route passenger in Pittsburgh in fiscal 
year 2002, and that does not include capital costs nor any return on 
investment.  And there were also underlying lease payments and local tax 
payments involved with nickel fare years ago.

SEPTA City Transit could make it on $3.06 fare to break even while Johnstown 
would require a $3.76 fare.  Pennsylvania tends to have a higher then 
average farebox recovery.

These numbers are also available on-line at FTA website.

js


>From: Harold Geissenheimer <transitmgr2 at earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>Subject: [PRCo] Re: Trolleyville
>Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 00:31:57 -0400
>
>Greetings
>Poor or old people would not agree with Fred.
>
>Harold
>
>Fred Schneider wrote:
>
> >Correct me if I'm wrong but $1.50 today is pretty close to normal.  Now 
>what would be the fare we simply multiplied the nickle in 1900 by an 
>inflationary index for 104 years?  About $5.40.  What is the true cost of 
>the $1.50 ride today ... well assuming that the average rider pays about 
>30% of the operating costs (and taxes cover the other 70%), then the 
>operating costs come to $5.00 per passenger (with the other $3.50 coming 
>out of income tax).  But we are still
> >missing 1) the capital costs, 2) the federal, state and local taxes 
>levied against the private companies, and 3) the profits they wanted to 
>make.  Those omissions will probably adjust the cost of service today up to 
>about $7.00 per rider.  So what is the difference between the $5.40 and 
>$7.00 or more?  The affect of having so many fewer passengers on a vehicle 
>today, particularly in the smaller cities.
> >
> >Therefore I don't see that $1.50 is great enough to have any affect on 
>who rides.  Its pocket change.  Coke machine change.
> >
> >hrbran99 at adelphia.net wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>Oddly enough, for a large city system, Greater Cleveland Regional 
>Transit Authority (RTA) does not have much of a problem with graffiti. Any 
>which does appear in the buses, cars and trains is cleaned up asap. Then 
>too, RTA does demand the fare (1.50 one-way/no transfers) from everyone. 
>This keeps the @$$es off the public tansit. They would rather walk than pay 
>a $155.00 court summons for failure to pay transit fare. Our transit police 
>are very efficient also.
> >>
> >>Too bad Pittsburgh wasn't doing that back in 1975 when I got sucker 
>punched in the right eye over a fare.
> >>
> >>HrB
> >>============================================================
> >>From: <ktjosephson at earthlink.net>
> >>Date: 2004/06/20 Sun PM 10:53:43 EDT
> >>To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
> >>Subject: [PRCo] Re: Trolleyville
> >>
> >>Fred Schneider wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Running antiques on the street is a scary proposition.  I'm worried 
>about
> >>>
> >>>
> >>the
> >>
> >>
> >>>Pittsburgh high floor  ... not about those CA&E hulks.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>I believe you have worn out your welcome in Chicago, Fred. ;-)
> >>
> >>Seriously, my concern is that a number of young people are so deeply
> >>entrenched in the "graffiti culture" that they will carve, paint and 
>mark up
> >>the cars' interiors beyond recognition.
> >>
> >>I noticed modern style gang tagging scratched into some of the seatbacks 
>in
> >>one of OERM's PCCs (I believe it was LARy 3100) a few years ago. I 
>figured
> >>it was the moronic loser children or young gang banging parents of those
> >>moronic loser children visiting the museum from L.A. or San Bernadino.
> >>Charlie Brown (of Long Beach Transit fame) informed me that the mothers 
>of
> >>the twerps living in the apartments that have encroached upon the land
> >>surrounding the museum have been known to give the little darlings money 
>and
> >>send them off for a "train ride" so they can have some private time with
> >>"Uncle Whoever" is living with them that week.
> >>
> >>K.
> >>
> >>============================================================
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> >
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>

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