[PRCo] Re: Too Nostalgic?

[John Swindler]

I particularly liked this caption:


"1460 in the Defense Bonds Livery. Location Unknown."


Maybe the location is unknown because its not Pittsburgh.

Just because a car is in an advertising livery, doesn't mean it's a 
Pittsburgh car.

Note:  notice anything strange about the trolley pole and rails in the 
street??  Also front of following car??

John


>From: Matt Barry <mrb190+ at pitt.edu>
>Reply-To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>Subject: [PRCo] Re: Too Nostalgic?
>Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 17:31:35 -0400
>
>No.  Not "way too much."   The webmaster of the site has an obvious
>leaning towards the motorization of Pittsburgh public transit.
>And typically, anyone who didn't like the streetcars, brings up the
>subject of how they didn't mix well with other traffic.  So, while I may
>have over-reacted to the caption, I reacted based on the rest of Shawn's
>website.
>And I am more nostalgic about the lines, than technically astute about
>mechanics of the cars, etc.
>
>
>
>James B. Holland wrote:
>
> >Matt Barry wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>Click on this link, and then scroll down to where it states:  "picture
> >>time!"
> >>http://www.pittsburghtransit.com/index3.html
> >>Note that the one caption for the 4th picture down is:  "Here is car
> >>1726 fighting its way thru town."
> >>I have seen this kind of description over the years, to describe various
> >>scenes of the streetcars "struggling" to get through downtown traffic.
> >>It lends itself to the belief that the trolleys just could not compete
> >>or handle sharing the streets with any other vehicle.
> >>
> >>I recall leaving town -during rush hours - on the 42/38 to Mount
> >>Lebanon, in the early part of the 1980's.   I don't recall much of a
> >>fight or struggle to get out of town to the Smithfield Street bridge.
> >>Dipping back further in time, the 88 Frankstown made it's way of town
> >>quite nicely in the 1960's.    The replacement buses encountered the
> >>same auto and pedestrian traffic as the trolleys.   Pedestrians, I
> >>think, probably handled the trolleys passing by in the pathways better
> >>than buses, as they knew the cars weren't going to swerve over to the
> >>curb lanes unexpectedly, as a bus might.
> >>
> >>I probably wax more nostalgic than most, but barring a subway that
> >>handles only rail transit, I don't see how our streetcars fought anymore
> >>than buses on downtown streets, and perhaps, might have handled town
> >>better in some cases.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >             Whoaaaa!      Think you are reading Way Too Much into the
> >caption  --  anything that is in the streets  --  trucks, autos,
> >TrolleyCars,  ({[beeses]})  etc  --  had to fight its way thru traffic.
> >
> >             The photo caption just makes the TrolleyCar the center of
> >attention.      And saying that trolleys could not compete is not at all
> >mentioned in the caption  --  that's just an Old Wive's Tale (a misnomer
> >because wives generally liked the TrolleyCars) used as an excuse to get
> >rid of them.     With what would the trolleycar be competing?      Yes,
> >we could have years worth of replies on that but those who want to use a
> >car will use one regardless of cost  --  it speaks to Freedom of
> >Mobility etc.
> >
> >http://www.pittsburghtransit.com/1019.jpg   '''Car 1019 crossing a
> >bridge on its way to Neville Island.'''    ----    Impossibility at time
> >of this charter.
> >
> >We have been to this site before  --  Shawn is a motorman for
> >({[pat]})  and doesn't even know locations of many of the photos Where
> >He Did Operate.      And he uses photos of others without giving credit
> >and doesn't answer email.
> >
> >
> >Jim__Holland
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

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