[PRCo] Re: PTM festivities

[Fred Schneider]

And the P&W is route 100 of SEPTA but not in my mind.  I grew up with the P&W and
it will always be that way.

I have great difficulty accepting Norfolk Southern (that was a small railroad
with reddish orange Baldwin diesels down south).  Furthermore, NS still hasn't
gotten rid of the blue Conrail paint.  The Penn Central green never happened.
Lancaster is still on the Pennsy in my mind.  And the Best and Only still runs
through the gray matter.

The commuter trains on the north side of Philly are still the Reading routes.

And Arden is two sylables, not ten.  PTM is three.  Guess which one I'm going to
use informally?

"James B. Holland" wrote:

> Edward H. Lybarger wrote:
>
> >Oops...I should have said "Arden is not the name of a trolley museum any
> >more."  But I'm just reacting as any good businessperson would and should.
> >
> >The name "Arden" appears in the museum's own history, but we're representing
> >the museum like it is now and will grow to in the future, not how it used to
> >be.  "How it used to be" involves the industry we're describing to the
> >public!
> >
> >Those who use the old name may do so out of fondness or out of unwillingness
> >to accept change, but I will speak for myself and Dennis also, along with
> >scores of other volunteers, and tell the world that I'm about the future.
> >That future deals with the Trolley Era in Pennsylvania, etc. and not what
> >any given trolley museum used to be named.  I don't believe this to be
> >unfair!
> >
> >Ed
> >
>
>              I understand your points, Ed.
>
>              VTA, Valley Transportation Authority, succeeded Santa Clara
> something or other possibly because service was over a wider area than
> previously served.       VTA quite insistent and precise about name change.
>
>              And when  ({[pat]})  took over  PRCo, the old logo was
> painted over and the rectangular  ({[pat]})  ownership label placed
> under the car number each side.
>
>              So while the upgrade from PERC to Arden to PRMA to PTM is
> the Letter of the Law, saying Arden certainly meets the Spirit of the
> Law.       We can easily get too hung up in identifying the messenger
> and totally forget the message!       It seems to be an item of extreme
> importance to you that is lost on the rest of us.
>
>              I have consciously mulled this over in the past when
> writing information about Arden and beg to differ about outsiders not
> recognizing the name    ----    trolley fans across the country and
> around the world know it as Arden because yearly listings With Photos
> were published in Van Jones Traction and Models which clearly showed
> Arden Trolley Museum on the building.       Because of this, and because
> even modern railfans have possibly seen these old T&Ms, I don't hesitate
> to use Arden when speaking with railfans.       Even Greg King in Oz has
> called it Arden.
>
>              There Are Quite A Few here who deny being Railfans even
> though they collect books about rails, write books // articles about
> rails, collect photos about rails, and belong to this list about
> rails.       And  ALL  of us use  *Interurban*  as a noun even though it
> is an adjective  --  it needs to modify something like TrolleyCar, motor
> coach, route, etc.       And this is not a case where a name has changed
> but is simply totally wrong application // bad Ingrish.
>
>              Like Harold, by far I prefer  PERC    ----
>
> PITTSBURGH   ELECTRIC   RAILWAY   CLUB    ----
>
> and dislike the move away from that.       The founding Father's had a
> particular goal in mind and wish that had been respected.
>
> Jim__Holland