[PRCo] Re: PTM festivities

[Fred Schneider]

I take pride it the title.  I think I also denounced going to Alaska once but I
think you and Janice and Marie are changing my mind.

"Edward H. Lybarger" wrote:

> Fred simply dislikes change...no amount of rationalization explains it any
> other way!  But I'm at least going to teach newcomers what the facts are.
>
> I remember not too long ago when Fred denounced the Internet as unnecessary
> and something he'd never have!  Before that it was the computer and
> afterwards the cell phone.  But I detect his use of all three today!
>
> This is an important part of being a curmudgeon!
>
> Ed
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org]On Behalf Of Fred
> Schneider
> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 2:23 PM
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: PTM festivities
>
> And the P&W is route 100 of SEPTA but not in my mind.  I grew up with the
> P&W and
> it will always be that way.
>
> I have great difficulty accepting Norfolk Southern (that was a small
> railroad
> with reddish orange Baldwin diesels down south).  Furthermore, NS still
> hasn't
> gotten rid of the blue Conrail paint.  The Penn Central green never
> happened.
> Lancaster is still on the Pennsy in my mind.  And the Best and Only still
> runs
> through the gray matter.
>
> The commuter trains on the north side of Philly are still the Reading
> routes.
>
> And Arden is two sylables, not ten.  PTM is three.  Guess which one I'm
> going to
> use informally?
>
> "James B. Holland" wrote:
>
> > Edward H. Lybarger wrote:
> >
> > >Oops...I should have said "Arden is not the name of a trolley museum any
> > >more."  But I'm just reacting as any good businessperson would and
> should.
> > >
> > >The name "Arden" appears in the museum's own history, but we're
> representing
> > >the museum like it is now and will grow to in the future, not how it used
> to
> > >be.  "How it used to be" involves the industry we're describing to the
> > >public!
> > >
> > >Those who use the old name may do so out of fondness or out of
> unwillingness
> > >to accept change, but I will speak for myself and Dennis also, along with
> > >scores of other volunteers, and tell the world that I'm about the future.
> > >That future deals with the Trolley Era in Pennsylvania, etc. and not what
> > >any given trolley museum used to be named.  I don't believe this to be
> > >unfair!
> > >
> > >Ed
> > >
> >
> >              I understand your points, Ed.
> >
> >              VTA, Valley Transportation Authority, succeeded Santa Clara
> > something or other possibly because service was over a wider area than
> > previously served.       VTA quite insistent and precise about name
> change.
> >
> >              And when  ({[pat]})  took over  PRCo, the old logo was
> > painted over and the rectangular  ({[pat]})  ownership label placed
> > under the car number each side.
> >
> >              So while the upgrade from PERC to Arden to PRMA to PTM is
> > the Letter of the Law, saying Arden certainly meets the Spirit of the
> > Law.       We can easily get too hung up in identifying the messenger
> > and totally forget the message!       It seems to be an item of extreme
> > importance to you that is lost on the rest of us.
> >
> >              I have consciously mulled this over in the past when
> > writing information about Arden and beg to differ about outsiders not
> > recognizing the name    ----    trolley fans across the country and
> > around the world know it as Arden because yearly listings With Photos
> > were published in Van Jones Traction and Models which clearly showed
> > Arden Trolley Museum on the building.       Because of this, and because
> > even modern railfans have possibly seen these old T&Ms, I don't hesitate
> > to use Arden when speaking with railfans.       Even Greg King in Oz has
> > called it Arden.
> >
> >              There Are Quite A Few here who deny being Railfans even
> > though they collect books about rails, write books // articles about
> > rails, collect photos about rails, and belong to this list about
> > rails.       And  ALL  of us use  *Interurban*  as a noun even though it
> > is an adjective  --  it needs to modify something like TrolleyCar, motor
> > coach, route, etc.       And this is not a case where a name has changed
> > but is simply totally wrong application // bad Ingrish.
> >
> >              Like Harold, by far I prefer  PERC    ----
> >
> > PITTSBURGH   ELECTRIC   RAILWAY   CLUB    ----
> >
> > and dislike the move away from that.       The founding Father's had a
> > particular goal in mind and wish that had been respected.
> >
> > Jim__Holland